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Eyeback
05-30-2005, 04:25 PM
Bubble with 2 short stacks and a marginal holding, let it go or play for first?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t660)
SB (t4245)
Hero (t2245)
UTG (t850)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t600) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1000</font>, SB calls t700.

Turn: (t2600) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks,<font color="#CC3333">Hero is all in (t945)</font> SB calls t945.

River: (t3545) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t3545

Hoping to use that tiny bit of FE left. Or just muck and be lucky on the next hand?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP (t864)
Button (t2041)
SB (t2265)
BB (t2320)
Hero (t510)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero pushes 510 </font><font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls t510, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (t810) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t810) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t810) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t810

Karak567
05-30-2005, 04:31 PM
Hand 1 - a fold here is a great and a raise should be a crime... the push on the turn... a capital crime.

Hand 2 - yeah I guess that's alright.

Unarmed
05-30-2005, 04:32 PM
I push both PF.
Hand two is an easy push. I happy I don't have any FE when I'm pushing A2 as BB will be forced to call with a hand I'm normally ahead of.

Eyeback
05-30-2005, 04:38 PM
#1 I'm a liking karaks check-fold more than pushing preflop...

#2 seems to be a no-brainer, just wanted to be sure.

curtains
05-30-2005, 04:39 PM
In hand 1 I wouldn't raise the flop. I would either call or fold. Some players will simply shut down on the turn once you call, and if you do decide the play the hand, you greatly minimize your risk should a club fall on the turn. Mainly you don't want to be risking such a large portion of your stack here with 2 guys about to bust. It's just not necessary to fight as hard as you can for every single pot, especially here. Even if you know your opponent has one club, I'm almost positive it's wrong to get allin with them on the flop.



Hand 2 is a very easy allin. Someone mentioned that they are happy they don't have FE because they have an ace? Well of course you would rather everyone fold and get 300 free chips than have to race to win 610 chips, so that didn't make much sense, but despite that it is a clear push.

Unarmed
05-30-2005, 04:44 PM
Worded incorrectly.
OP said he was using up his last shred of FE.
I was trying to point out that you're not relying on BB folding here as you have a better than random hand.

curtains
05-30-2005, 04:46 PM
Yea, although you would love them to fold (which they often will at the $22s), you can't always count on it.

Bigwig
05-30-2005, 04:47 PM
Hand 1--I would flat call the flop bet and go from there. I might even fold. You've got two short stacks at the table, and your hand is scary vulnerable.

Hand 2--Good push.