Terminology -- 'full' v. 'over'

[ElSapo]

Silly question, but to solve a debate:

"Aces over 2s" is a full house or 2 pair?
"Aces full" is a full house?

Basically, are "over" and "full" the same thing?

[Andy B]

I have heard people use "over" for both, which is why I never use the term. Aces full is definitely a full house containing three Aces. For clarity, I suggest using "Aces up" for two pair and "Aces full" for a full house.

[Easy E]

I'm only aware of hearing "over" for pairs and "full" for houses. Haven't heard AAA "over" 22 used, myself...

"up" and "over" tend to be the same thing (for pairs), in my experience.

[Homer]

Ditto everything Andy said...

[Jim Brier]

The term "over" means two pair. The term "full" means a full house.

In your example, "Aces over Deuces" means two-pair, aces and deuces. The reason is because someone else may also have two pair which contain the other pair of aces. Aces over sixes beat aces over deuces. Therefore, the second pair becomes critical in deciding who wins the hand.

The term "Aces full" means a full house containing 3 aces. It doesn't matter what the pair is since no one else can have a full house containing 3 aces. Some players state: "Aces full of fives" meaning a full house containing 3 aces and 2 fives. But this is completely unnecessary.

[Ed Miller]

The term "Aces full" means a full house containing 3 aces. It doesn't matter what the pair is since no one else can have a full house containing 3 aces.

This is not the case in a community card game. I use "full" to indicate a full house and "up" to indicate two pair. Regardless of what is "correct"... some people use "over" to mean two pair and other use it to mean a full house... so I avoid the term completely.

[Andy B]

I guess Jim's never played hold'em. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

[Stu Pidasso]

Maybe we can all pitch in and buy him a book.


Stu

[Jim Brier]

Much of our terminology is borrowed from the days of draw poker and stud poker. I was not aware that anyone had changed it. Perhaps someone should look up these terms in Michael Weisenberg's (?) "Poker Dictionary".

[Howard Burroughs]

The Michael Wiesenberg poker dictionary agrees with Jim Brier's comments. However in my four decades of playing poker I have often heard the term used both ways, by both players & dealers.

BTW, Jim,

I'm not sure I understand your comment about two players both not having, say Aces full. What about in Hold'em when there are three Aces on board. Two players are left in the hand on the river. Both have pocket pairs (not relating to anything on the board). Don't they both have Aces full?


And what about in Follow the Queen......Oh, I won't even go there :-)


Best of Luck

H.B.

[Louie Landale]

[1] "Aces Full" of "what" DOES matter in wild card games AND in community card games like Holdem: with 3 aces on board, several players may have different pairs.

[2] Your definitions are the "standard" or "original" or "best" or "most common"; yet we still cannot say they are "correct". There is no "Webster" equivalent for poker jargon, and pretty much people can change the meanings as they feel like it. Unfortunately.

[3] I've heard, BTW, the phrase "Kings full over fours".

- Louie

BTW, my answer is "the" CORRECT answer. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

[Howard Burroughs]

BTW, Wild card games were what I was refering to with my "Follow the Queen" comment. I was afraid if I mention wild card games (which more people play world wide in home games then all the casino hold'em games combined) some big city hold'em players might respond that wild card games are not "real poker".


Best of Luck

H.B.

[lorinda]

Until I played online I used Aces over to mean Aces full exclusively, having never heard anything else in ten years.

Two pair was up, and only up.

I now however use full, and up.

Lori