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luckyplayer

05-30-2005, 09:11 AM

reads: UTG has already limped once with Q8o, so he could be playing lots of weak holdings here. MP2 has made large raises with ATo and 33, so he more than likely has a big ace or a small pair.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t1765)
BB (t700)
UTG (t425)
UTG+1 (t890)
MP1 (t315)
MP2 (t1465)
MP3 (t805)
CO (t905)
Hero (t730)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls t30, UTG+1 raises to t120, MP1 calls t120, MP2 calls t120, 2 folds, Hero ?

Basically, I'm wondering how much is too much to call on the raise here? And does my reads on the other players not having much here do anything as well, especially given that this is a 10+1?

NYCNative

05-30-2005, 09:18 AM

Even if the other three have a mix of undercard/overcards or smaller PPs the o0dds of your Tens withstanding three villains is unlikely unless you spike a set.

Your conservative option is just call and hope you spike a set or can outplay your opponents post-flop. I don't like this because it turns your tens into fives.

The aggressive option is to raise big and force everyone to make a decision for their chips. You would welcome being called by most everyone here based on your reads. The drawback is you could be raising (or even pushing) into a bigger PP and then you're in trouble.

Most people here would say that you should fold or maybe call and see a flop because most people here are very conservative early in SNGs.

I play in the $11s at UB. I have a larger stack than you do so it gives me the ability to reraise there and still have enough chips to come back if I have to bail.

jgunnip

05-30-2005, 12:44 PM

Insta-fold.

UTG+1 has showed strength by raising 4xBB into a limper. MP1 calls off a 1/3 of his small stack which either means great strength of great stupidity. MP2 cold calls. UTG is probably a non-factor here based on your read but he did limp from UTG so I don't think he can be ignored. All that being said, your options are either push or fold. A significant raise of any type pot commits you really don't want to be called here, the pot is big enough as it is. If you push UTG+1 is most likely going to call. And there's still two others after that and too much potnetial action for my liking. I'm getting out now with nothing invested.

luckyplayer

05-30-2005, 03:26 PM

I think this makes the most sense. Given the number of cold calls, I should be aware that they are not leaving the hand preflop.
Unfortunately, I tried to play for set value or overpair value here and just called. I do think I should have folded now. But it sort of worked out okay for me.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t1765)
BB (t700)
UTG (t425)
UTG+1 (t890)
MP1 (t315)
MP2 (t1465)
MP3 (t805)
CO (t905)
Hero (t730)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls t30, UTG+1 raises to t120, MP1 calls t120, MP2 calls t120, 2 folds, Hero calls t120, 1 fold, BB calls [t700] t30, UTG calls [t395] t30, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls [t195] t120, MP2 folds, Hero folds.

Flop: (t555) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)

Turn: (t555) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)

River: (t555) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)

Final Pot: t555

Results in white below: 
BB has As Ac (two pair, aces and sevens).
UTG has 6s 6c (two pair, sevens and sixes).
MP1 has 9h 9d (two pair, nines and sevens).
Outcome: BB wins t555.