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brimstone1
05-29-2005, 11:35 PM
Hey there SNG 2+2ers.

I'm usually a $2/$4 player, but, in the past week, I've discovered the beauty that is party's $10+$1 NL SNGs.

I've lurked around and read almost all threads listed in "the shadow"'s "Favorite Threads and Links for STT FAQ v.3 (long) (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=1918735&page=0&view=c ollapsed&sb=7&o=14&fpart=1)" thread, and after some careful single tabling, I'm now 4-tabling, and have a 34.55% ROI after 125 $10+$1s (damn only having a single monitor, and damn you raptor for having 4). So, naturally, I have some questions.

1) First off, whats the suggested sample size at a single buy-in before posting stats/taking them seriously? My ROI was about 39.9% before I played around 10 SNGs in my late night session, so I guess that goes a long way in saying how little my sample size is. With that in mind, I'd still like to know what the 2+2 standard is.

2) Here are a couple of hands I played tonight.

2.1) Please yell at me for being such a donk when I saw the straight flush draw I was holding. The only explanation I have for how this hand turned out is that I was very, very tired.
P.S: I was so tired, I didn't even notice how early in the tournament it was -- otherwise I would've probably folded this pre-flop.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t785)
Donk Hero (t800)
CO (t1005)
Button (t755)
SB (t785)
BB (t670)
UTG (t800)

Preflop: Donk Hero is MP3 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls t15, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Donk Hero raises to t40</font>, CO calls t40, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t25, UTG+2 calls t25.

Flop: (t170) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t175</font>, UTG+2 folds, Donk Hero calls t175, CO calls t175.

Turn: (t695) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t455 (All-In)</font>, Donk Hero calls t455, CO calls t455.

River: (t2060) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
Donk Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: t2060

2.2) Is this the default play? A raise of 3BB would've put me about 50% in, and I'm trying to follow the %40/All-in rule that I've read about.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 (t370)
Hero (t615)
CO (t1945)
Button (t1155)
SB (t1535)
BB (t565)
UTG (t530)
UTG+1 (t1285)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of t100.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls t100, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t615 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls t270 (All-In).

Flop: (t1085) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t1085) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t1085) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t1085

2.3) Here, I had taken most of SB's stack a few hands back, and he was looking to fix his fatal situation, comparing his stack to mine, and looking at the blinds, I thought calling with any two suited cards was OK. Am I right? What would you do?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t975)
Button (t1990)
SB (t210)
Hero (t1520)
UTG (t2310)
MP (t995)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t210 (All-In)</font>, Hero...?


3) Finally, I'm wondering if there are any important threads I've missed that were not included in the aforementioned megathread for SNGs that I should be reading before multitabling $10+$1.

Thank you for your input.

lastchance
05-29-2005, 11:42 PM
1) While you're probably a winning player, 500 SNGs is what you need if you want a real bead on your ROI.

2.1) Ugh. I don't like raising AJo in MP3 preflop. I just fold here, though I suppose limping is good. On the flop, Jack of hearts is a great card, and you've got a few clean outs. There's t340 in the pot, you've got 750 with a straight flush draw and not much else. I think I'm all-in semibluffing.

2.3) Don't even think about doing anything besides all-in here. There's a new rule you should learn, the 10x BB rule. It states when you have less than 10 times the big blind, you move-in.

brimstone1
05-29-2005, 11:45 PM
Thanks for the quick reply.

I'm guessing you marked your reply to "2.2" as "2.3", I apologize for my confusing list structure. I just wanted to have all my hands in a single thread.

So if I have a hand I like, and I have less than 10x BB, I go all-in. Is this the rule?

lastchance
05-29-2005, 11:47 PM
I was confused, sorry.

And yeah, that's pretty much the rule, except sometimes, you don't have a hand you like, you have a situation where you have tons of FE (cash from others folding) and need chips.

Past L4, Party is about picking up BB's without showing your hand.

dhende3
05-29-2005, 11:55 PM
1) 35% ROI is pretty ridiculous but very possible in the 11s for that sample size because of the huge amount of variance. Expect to see a TON on showdowns because almost no $11 donks have a concept of the Calling/Folding Gap. Don't be surprised if you drop 20 or 30 buyins though because of this...

2.1) Doh... don't even play this hand in levels 1-3.

2.2) Standard play... I go all in with &lt; 10BB

2.3) Clear call... as a limit player you should know a thing or two about pot odds. You are getting 3.1:1 when the SB is likely pushing any 2.

3) That huge one pretty much covers it.

runner4life7
05-30-2005, 01:02 AM
if you are looking to become a serious party SNGer I would look into getting eastbays program (sit n go power tools) if you have any doubts about when to push, its amazing how many times its +EV to push with any 2. Other than that keep up the good work, and warn me when you are going to the 22s so i can watch out.

SlackerMcFly
05-30-2005, 01:55 AM
2.1 Call then value fold when BB bets.
2.2 Push all-in Pre-flop
2.3 Auto-call
3. All really great reading, but I suggest web page (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&amp;Number=2450665&amp;page=9&amp;view=c ollapsed&amp;sb=7&amp;o=31&amp;fpart=1) for all you really need to know about poker.

Good luck!

Slacker - Who can only dream of such an ROI (or did he mean ITM???)

DasLeben
05-30-2005, 01:59 AM
[ QUOTE ]
huge amount of variance

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Huge variance huh? My standard deviation over my last 150 SNGs is 1.37 buyins. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

LordBP
05-30-2005, 02:22 AM
Sorry for the noob question but can someone post a link to Eastbays Powertool. I searched and can't find it.

bluefeet
05-30-2005, 02:33 AM
i think this (http://sitngo-analyzer.com/) is the link you're looking for.