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KSOT

05-29-2005, 05:23 PM

At first I thought it happened because I left tables when I got up a little bit, but I stopped doing that and the same pattern remains. I make like 5-10 BBs over 100-200 hands on a good session... then THIS happens.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls.

River: (9 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Results in white below: 
MP2 has 5s Ad (full house, fives full of aces).
Hero has 7d 6d (straight, seven high).
Outcome: MP2 wins 13 BB. 

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
6 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (10.25 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has As Ts (one pair, tens).
BB has 7h 8s (two pair, eights and sevens).
Outcome: BB wins 12.25 BB. 

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
3 folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
BB bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB bets, MP2 calls $0.90 (All-In), Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.40 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 6c 8d (full house, eights full of sixes).
MP2 has 7s Qs (one pair, eights).
Hero has Js Kd (two pair, jacks and eights).
Outcome: BB wins 12.39 BB. 

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
6 folds, CO raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises, CO calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (6.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kc Qc (one pair, queens).
CO has As Ks (straight, ace high).
Outcome: CO wins 10.50 BB. 

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Then of course the ONE time I attempt to bluff at a pot...

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, CO folds, BB calls, UTG+2 folds.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (5.25 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 9h Ah (one pair, kings).
Hero has 8d Ad (one pair, kings).
Outcome: BB wins 7.25 BB. 

Comments about those hands are welcome and appreciated, but we all know I'd have lost nearly the same amount no matter how I played them (aside from that last one). Limit is so damned cruel sometimes ;_;

I think the problem isn't so much that I have big losing sessions, but rather that I tend to lose big pots where I have lots of money invested. Then when I'm dealt a monster, I get NO action on it. Hard to come out ahead that way...

SCfuji

05-29-2005, 05:26 PM

wah

KSOT

05-29-2005, 05:27 PM

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Get the [censored] out of my topic, bitch.

UncleSalty

05-29-2005, 05:35 PM

Sorry to hear you're having trouble, just keep focusing on correct theoretical play and it will work itself out.

Hand 1: Fold PF with just one limper.

Hand 2: The Stop'n'Go almost always means top pair is beat by either a set or 2 pair in this situation. I would call down the turn instead of raising.

Hand 3: Looks ok. I might raise PF if the table and blinds are tight.

Hand 4: Looks good.

Hand 5: Meh. I think the pot is too small to be throwing your chips around HU here. Sucks that it was so close, but you will lose this pot a lot of the time anyway.

awval999

05-29-2005, 05:42 PM

Hand 1: You and the Villian both played it fine, he ended up with the best hand.

Hand 2: You and the Villian both played it fine, he ended up hitting two pair on the turn.

Hand 3: Fold Pre-flop: K/Jo gets you into trouble.

Hand 4: You got lucky on the flop hitting your dominated hand. Villian has nut flush and nut straight draws going into the river and hits the straight.

Hand 5: You tried and fired the last bullet, I can't believe the Villian called you.

You played every one of these hands fine, except the K/J one, but you just weren't on the lucky side. But you also have to understand, the Villians on most of these hands also played their hands fine too.

Aaron W.

05-29-2005, 05:43 PM

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Fuji is probably right.

For most players, this sort of thing happens because they make lots of small errors that they don't notice (or deem innocuous) and focus on the expensive hands where there really wasn't much else they could have done.

If you can't seem to get things going, you make need to look in other places besides the ones where you get outdrawn.

SCfuji

05-29-2005, 05:52 PM

when you post low content material, i will post low content material (not saying i post anything with content ever because i usually dont).

compare your post to mithong's (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=2506721&page=0&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1#Post2507244)

on the surface they look similar, but his hands that he posted were actually somewhat interesting to read. you just posted hands where you got outdrawn. if you want pity go talk to a tissue box.

macdaddy991

05-29-2005, 05:58 PM

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For most players, this sort of thing happens because they make lots of small errors that they don't notice (or deem innocuous) and focus on the expensive hands where there really wasn't much else they could have done.

If you can't seem to get things going, you make need to look in other places besides the ones where you get outdrawn.

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Seriously. I am reevaluating any of the 2k hands that I have played in the last week. There are small ealks everywhere in my play, and I need to plug them before I stop my downswing. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

milesdyson

05-29-2005, 06:07 PM

Hand 1: Fold preflop.
Hand 2: Okay. You can probably fold the river since you didn't improve. Need some kind of read.
Hand 3: I'd raise preflop.
Hand 4: Read? 3-bet preflop. Don't give the BB good odds to enter the pot.
Hand 5: Winrate destroyer.

and yeah, that bitch comment was pretty gay.

Jakesta

05-29-2005, 06:21 PM

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Totally uncalled for.

Clemtown53

05-31-2005, 12:54 PM

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Once again, 5 good sessions wiped out by a single horrible one

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Poker is one long session, you can't look at it as a series of wins and losses. Focus solely on your play and not the results and you will be much better off. Most winning players settle into a BB/100 that is very similar over large samples and large samples care little for the effects of a few big wins or a series of medium to large losses.

You probably don't need to hear that from me, I am certainly no expert, but that is what I tell myself quite often and it helps me regain my focus.

Also, while I agree with the hand evaluation above I often review hands to figure out what the OPTIMAL play would have been. Especially when the cards are running bad or you get outdrawn, figuring out where you missed out on a bet or put an extra bet in the pot can move the focus from the loss/win itself and put it back on how you played it. Those extra prayer calls and missed bets can add up quickly.

reubenf

05-31-2005, 01:18 PM

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Who's bitching?

Jakesta

05-31-2005, 01:20 PM

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Who's bitching?

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There you go being sensible again.

davelin

05-31-2005, 02:13 PM

Hand 1 - Fold pre-flop
Hand 2 - I'm calling down when bet into on the turn
Hand 3 - I'd probably raise pre-flop
Hand 4 - 3-bet pre-flop
Hand 5 - Check/fold flop

PuckNPoker

05-31-2005, 02:24 PM

I hate not raising hand 3, if you are going to play it, play it for a raise in that spot. You can probably isolate and even fold AJo if you have tight players behind you.

bakku

05-31-2005, 02:25 PM

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Brice

05-31-2005, 02:29 PM

You have to raise with hand 3. I know that has already been said but here is my reasoning.

1) You can buy the button. KJo is a marginal hand anywhere but the button.
2) You chase out bad hands such as 68o. At least in theory.

It may cost you the extra .50 cents to make this play but it is worth it. Remember, you want your big overcards to play against as little players as possible.

Entity

05-31-2005, 02:31 PM

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Awesome.

Niediam

05-31-2005, 02:33 PM

You are losing because your play is horrific. Your hand examples are riddled with mistakes and that makes me think that you probably constantly making errors considering because you posted these hands to show how 'unlucky' you are as opposed to thinking you perhaps played them wrong. I seriously think you should stop playing poker, reread SSH three or four times, and then give it another shot.

deception5

05-31-2005, 04:42 PM

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Hand 3: Fold Pre-flop: K/Jo gets you into trouble.

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This is a good value raise imho. KJ is a fairly premium hand when MP2 is the first limper.

deception5

05-31-2005, 04:49 PM

Also hand 5 I would either bet the turn and check behind on the river or check behind on the turn and call the river bet. If he was chasing a flush or straight draw you will win at showdown and if he had any pair he's usually not folding the river for one more bet.