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durron597

05-29-2005, 02:00 PM

I've decided that I'm very bad at this. No reads, this is the 3rd hand of level 1. When do you start becoming aggressive?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t1500)
CO (t1490)
Button (t1470)
SB (t3070)
BB (t1470)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
Hero (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls t20, 1 fold, Hero calls t20, 1 fold, CO raises to t60, 1 fold, SB calls t50, 1 fold, UTG calls t40, Hero calls t40.

Flop: (t260) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets t60, CO raises to t120, SB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls t60.

Turn: (t500) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t100, Hero calls t100.

River: (t700) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets t400, CO calls t400.

Final Pot: t1500

valenzuela

05-29-2005, 02:03 PM

I bet 1/3rd of the pot every time I want money for my good hand, I treat monsters the same way. If they dont have something u wont be able to get them to call u, just hope they have soemthing and keep betting

EasilyFound

05-29-2005, 02:09 PM

Good advice. Remember, a monster has no value if your opponent doesn't have a hand. Plus, you gave your opponent good odds to draw on the turn if he had a set and was drawing to a full house. I've done that before. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

igotBlackJak

05-29-2005, 02:57 PM

you would be supprised how many calls you will get when you ALLIN that river... I didn't notice what buyin you were at.. but 20 and below im ALLIN on that riv everytime just from knowing how these other fools play..

gl

durron597

05-29-2005, 06:02 PM

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you would be supprised how many calls you will get when you ALLIN that river... I didn't notice what buyin you were at.. but 20 and below im ALLIN on that riv everytime just from knowing how these other fools play..

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Do you play the other streets the same?

octaveshift

05-29-2005, 06:18 PM

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Do you play the other streets the same?

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I run like hell from your flop bet, but most players probably put you on a flush draw.

IE- Against better players, I would bet more on the flop, because it's precisely the oppostite of what people expect you to be doing if you have a monster.

I'd go so far as to say an all-in on the flop probably gets you more calls than you would imagine at lower levels.

durron597

05-29-2005, 06:20 PM

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Do you play the other streets the same?

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I run like hell from your flop bet, but most players probably put you on a flush draw.

IE- Against better players, I would bet more on the flop, because it's precisely the oppostite of what people expect you to be doing if you have a monster.

I'd go so far as to say an all-in on the flop probably gets you more calls than you would imagine at lower levels.

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I think you are right. I have to bet more on the flop when I have a monster, to build the pot for later streets. If no one has anything, no one has anything and I have to say "oh well".

octaveshift

05-29-2005, 06:23 PM

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I think you are right.

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Oh and let's keep the concept of fast-playing monsters "our little secret" OK?

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Unarmed

05-29-2005, 07:19 PM

Bet more on the flop or C/R all-in. (I love that one)

durron597

05-29-2005, 07:22 PM

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I think you are right.

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Oh and let's keep the concept of fast-playing monsters "our little secret" OK?

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Well, I think betting the flop hard and checking the turn is pretty nice /images/graemlins/smile.gif