Questions about PRIMA Network

[BPPoker]

I've been playing online for a while on Party and a few other sites. I don't know much about the Prima network sites however..I am thinking of opening an account on there.
Which sites are Prima Sites?
Do they all share tables like Party & skins?
Is one site better than the others?
How are the NL 1/2 2/4 games?

All help is appreciated. Thanks

[TimsterToo]

You can find all the Prima sites on
here (http://www.primapoker.com)

Most of them are ok just steer well clear of Poker Metro. Terrible bonus construction (to clear a 50$ bonus you'll have to play nearly 2000 raked hands at 0,50/1,-) and even worse pay out time.

Just check out the site and find the bonuses that suit your bankroll. I'm slowly building up mine through the Prima sites and am quite happily doing that. You have to pick the right times to play though as the games loosen up a lot in prime time USA (I'm in Europe so I have to wait until later in the evening) in my experiences games are pretty tough even at low stakes at other times and you're better of playing some Party.

But once again, don't do Poker Metro unless you've got really nowhere to go anymore , terrible bonus structure and amazing long and difficult cashout procedure, they really try to hold your money as long as possible. Bad bad Poker Metro /images/graemlins/mad.gif /images/graemlins/mad.gif


If you run into weird things I'd love to hear about it as I've done about 6 and would love a prewarning if things turn out to be dodgy.

Anyone know if RiverBelle poker is still up and running? I've tried to create an account and I got an error every time. After that I mailed them but didn't get a reaction. Kind of forgot about it and moved on but I wouldn't mind playing their bonus.

[keikiwai]

I've done 7Sultans and Bet365. The $50 deposit bonus clears relatively fast on Bet365.

They do share tables. I don't know if they share tournamenets. But I played a lot of free rolls on 7Sultans. Not sure about NL games.

Cash out time is about 2 days in my experience for both of these.

Worse time to play is late at night (after midnight) PST. That's about 8 or 9am, from Amsterdam I guess. I don't know if it's because I'm so sleepy I can't pay attention, or because the players change /images/graemlins/confused.gif.

Good luck /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[beta1607]

I am a fan of the Gaming club. As a bonus the head of gaming club posts here on occasion so its good access to someone "in the know" get rakeback.

[TimsterToo]

I can't get onto the Gaming Club. Probably has someting to do with me being Dutch. I think they belong to Ladbrokes who lost a courtcase in Holland concerning gambling.

[gila]

I played gaming club for awhile and liked it pretty well. The bonus was real nice at the time, not sure what it is anymore. I have also played aztec riches with a rakeback deal, this was more of a pain; nothing big, just make sure you can send identifacation and a bill. Also, make sure you set the payment preference because after sending them my ID and bill three times, they finally paid me, and of course promptly sent out a check for $1500 instead of putting my money back into netteller like any other sane site would. That was a stressfull week and a half waiting for a $1500 check, and of course then I had to cash it.


Oh, after this first fiasco, the following cashouts were a breeze.

[TimsterToo]

Top of my head I can give an honorable mention to Expekt for very fast payout. Good site, good support. Poker is not their only game though, very much a betting site too.

Golden Riviera poker has also been great in payout and the chance of me going back to them is pretty high as they organize a lot of little bonuses and incentives to keep playing with them. Very much busy with promotions etc. If I'm done with the bonuses they are, up till now, the site I'll keep playing.

[BruinEric]

I have played Golden Tiger and thought it was good. Deposit was fast. Cashout took a couple days, and went thru fine. Tracking my signup bonus progress was fairly easy, though the tracker is a few minutes behind the action.

I like the table mini-view option as well. It let me 4-table with no overlap at 1024 x 768 resolution so I didn't have to bump up my resolution and make other apps more painful to use.

[mattw]

the gaming club lobby never updates so one doesnt know if the table is full of rocks or fish. when you are on the wait list for muliple tables, get seated at one, you are removed from the other wait lists. other than that, no problems. also, bonus doesnt affect rakeback.

[Pocket Trips]

I have been playing Royal vegas for about a month now and the only complaint i have is the hands per minute is about half of that at party most plyers don't use auto-post which really pisses me off and many will just time out rather than fold.. If you are multi-tabling i guess that might be a bonus having more time but it drives me crazy

[TomR]

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Top of my head I can give an honorable mention to Expekt for very fast payout.

[/ QUOTE ]Just a warning that this site does not allow US players.
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Golden Riviera poker has also been great in payout and the chance of me going back to them is pretty high as they organize a lot of little bonuses and incentives to keep playing with them.

[/ QUOTE ]Golden Riviera just changed their weekly bonus requirements this week and they are much harder to clear.

[AAAA]

Unfortunately, all the prima sites calculate rake back as a percentage of the pot that you put in, which may easily make your rake back only half of what it would be for comparable play at a site that paid rake divided by players dealt cards. Crypto or empire or cdpoker, or UB figure like that. I am not sure exactly how absolute calculates rake, but poker room, prima and pacific are all percentage of the pot, which sucks for a tight player.

I think only a couple of the prima sites do interaccount transfers. They do share tables, but not cashiers.

[OneCentRob]

There are a lot of problems with the microgaming software that Prima use but they are slowly ironing them out. The servers used to be very unrelaible. They seem to have improved recently but are still less reliable than other major sites.

THe main prob with software, as mentioned above, is that the lobby stats don't update after you have been on the site for a while. Prima are aware of this, but as yet it has not been resolved.

Another problem is with the exporting of hand histories. THere is no way to autosave hand histories to your hard drive, or receive them via email, but again I am told that Prima are working on this as a priority. THe current sytem is very slowly, and often doesn't work.

Standard of play on 1/2 2/4 tables is poor compared to other sites. The advice above about times to play is VERY important. My hourly rate is DOUBLE during USA prima time. Prior to that the tables tend to be tight with a lot of experienced players.

Many players on Prima use the mini view option to play multiple tables. Most of the regualrs seem to play 4 tables at a time at these limits, and can therefore be exploited if you get to know their standard plays.

I have had accounts with Royal Vegas, who have excellent bonuses and BEt365, who are great for UK players.

THe play temds to be a little tighter than ladborokes (who use the same software) and less aggressive than UB.

I hope this is helpful. Basically, I would recommend Prima because of the low standard of play and reliability for payment, but you will have to put up with some lingering teathing problems with software/servers.

[Synergistic Explosions]

I've tried out most of the Primas worth doing already, but more come around every month it seems. I will second the Poker Metro cashout and bonus problems. I just did it without a bonus for the ecasinodeals $60 comp for 250 hands. Been waiting a week now for the withdrawal and haven't heard a word about it.

But anyways, if I was recommending a first Prima site to my Mom, I'd tell her to either do PokerRewards or Golden Tiger, both part of the same group. You can do only one for the $200 bonus for 1000 hands. If you sign up for either of these you get the $60 value in comp from ecasinodeals. PokerRewards may not take Dutch citizens, but I'm not sure, so read the T&A for everyone of these Primas before depositing.

But you really can't beat the $200+$60 bonus and comp for 1k hands. That's better than only a 4-1 play through.

There are many others to do afterwards of course, and I'd do most of them except for the poor bonus structure ones, like PokerMetro.

What is unique about many Primas is the individual promotions they might offer unique to themselves. Such as Bet365 with their ten 10,000 free rolls this month. Or several others that offer special weekly free rolls or extra cash for top raked hand players.

Good luck and be sure to always search for a comp from an affiliate on top of your signup bonus. If not offered by an affiliate, find a friend to refer you for up to an extra $150 in RAF money to split.

[TomR]

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But you really can't beat the $200+$60 bonus and comp for 1k hands.

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This has changed recently.

I am currenlty working on the PR bonus and it is now 2,000 hands for the $200 bonus.

[Gaming Club]

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Unfortunately, all the prima sites calculate rake back as a percentage of the pot that you put in, which may easily make your rake back only half of what it would be for comparable play at a site that paid rake divided by players dealt cards. Crypto or empire or cdpoker, or UB figure like that. I am not sure exactly how absolute calculates rake, but poker room, prima and pacific are all percentage of the pot, which sucks for a tight player.

I think only a couple of the prima sites do interaccount transfers. They do share tables, but not cashiers.

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Please note that the definition of a raked hand is as follows:

A hand is considered a raked hand when a Player is dealt cards in the hand and the pot is raked a minimum of 25c.

You do not have to contribute to the pot

NOTE: Raked hands are accumulated during Non-tournament games. Raked hands qualify you to enter certain tournaments, such as FreeRoll tournaments. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[StellarWind]

Gaming Club,

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Unfortunately, all the prima sites calculate rake back as a percentage of the pot that you put in, which may easily make your rake back only half of what it would be for comparable play at a site that paid rake divided by players dealt cards.

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Please note that the definition of a raked hand is as follows:

A hand is considered a raked hand when a Player is dealt cards in the hand and the pot is raked a minimum of 25c.

You do not have to contribute to the pot

NOTE: Raked hands are accumulated during Non-tournament games. Raked hands qualify you to enter certain tournaments, such as FreeRoll tournaments. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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1. I've read this slowly several times. You have not contradicted the post that you responded to.

Are you both correct? A Prima player who contributes nothing to a raked pot gets credit for playing a raked hand? But his share of the rake is zero and his affiliate will get nothing for the hand?

2. (New topic) What is the Prima policy on players with accounts at multiple skins? How about taking advantage of signup bonues and other promotions at multiple skins? Receiving rakeback payments from affiliates?

[I'm sorry if these are sensitive questions, but I'm tired of the endless drama at a certain competing network. This time I want to know what I'm getting into before I sign up. Thanks.]

3. (New topic II) Are MTTs and SNGs common across the Prima network or specific to individual skins?

[Jurollo]

Not sure about the rake. But players can have accounts on multiple sites, however, you only have 1 unique alias on the Prima network, even though it could be linked to accounts on all of your Prima accounts. I believe this is correct, TGC guy can correct me if I am wrong.
~Justin

[poker-penguin]

God no.

Golden Tiger is a contributed raked hand, so their 5X playthrough is really like 15X (and I think they've moved to "10X" anyway).

Or do you hate your mother?

[HavanaBanana]

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1. I've read this slowly several times. You have not contradicted the post that you responded to.

Are you both correct? A Prima player who contributes nothing to a raked pot gets credit for playing a raked hand? But his share of the rake is zero and his affiliate will get nothing for the hand?

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A raked hand is a hand where rake has been taken, and every player dealt cards in that hand will get (rake/numbers of players dealt cards) added to his her total rake.

So if 7 players are seated, and 6 are dealt cards, 3 fold preflop and 3 players are in the hand to the end, and the rake paid from the pot is $1.50, each of the 6 players paid $0.25 rake and the 7th player who were sitting out $0.00

And don't worry, the affiliate WILL get his share, if he is on a %age deal.

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2. (New topic) What is the Prima policy on players with accounts at multiple skins? How about taking advantage of signup bonues and other promotions at multiple skins? Receiving rakeback payments from affiliates?

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PRIMA's Policy is that it is ok to have accounts with multiple skins (the alias has to be the same at all skins, NO EXCEPTIONS), however only 1 account at each skin.

The policy on sign-up bonuses is only ONE at the 3 skins that we operate (Lucky Nugget Poker, The Gaming Club Poker and River Belle Poker)

I have not seen any player being unable to get one of our sign-up bonuses even if they have gotten one from another PRIMA skin.

We do not do Rakeback, however we are of course aware that some affiliates are offering it, our policy is that it is between the affiliate and his players and we do not meddle in their business. We will even facilitate inter account transfers for certain Beta test affiliates, however those transfers might or might not be Rakeback related. Coming relatively soon is an interaccount transfer possibiliy for verified players.!


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3. (New topic II) Are MTTs and SNGs common across the Prima network or specific to individual skins?

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Most are common, however some are just one skin, typically these will be of a different color.

ToT

Disclaimer: I represent The Gaming Club Poker Room, and not PRIMA.

[HavanaBanana]

PS: a raked hand might be counted differently in certain promotions, i.e. it has to be raked atleast 25 cents, but not for the rake that is added to your total and is what the affiliates gets paid from.

ToT

[Synergistic Explosions]

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Golden Tiger is a contributed raked hand

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Wasn't for me. But anytime a site has those rules I will just play stud with an ante to get around it.

I just did Poker Rewards recently and that also didn't have a contributed raked hand requirement, and GT and PR are the exact same rules.

To bad they raised the RHR to 10X though, it was a kick azz living beaver bonus at 5X plus a $60 comp. Still worth doing though at some point.