Okay, so this time I RAISE my set on a 2-flush flop, and then...

[ClaytonN]

VPIP/PFR/AF
MP2 is 33/2.2/0.6 over 47 hands
SB is 10.5/2.4/1.3 over 247 hands (Rock)
BB is 33/14/2 over 58 hands (Taz)

Comments on all streets, please.

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP2 calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (11 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (15 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, SB folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: 17 BB

[ClaytonN]

My thoughts: I should have just called the 3-bet. Rest looks fine.

[milesdyson]

I don't get it.

[milesdyson]

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My thoughts: I should have just called the 3-bet. Rest looks fine.

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Why? To try to check raise the turn which might get checked through? You're out of position against the 3-bettor, you have the nuts, and you have two players trapped.

[Jakesta]

I like all streets. Why would you not cap the flop with all those players trapped? You have the nuts.

[penisclaw]

I'm a newb, but I like the cap on the flop. Turn or River I may have tried to checkraise, with someone likely holding a king or an ace.

[iNsChris]

clayton - You know i'm a newbie but ill warn ya anyway..

IM A NEWBIE - TAKE WITH PINCH OF SALT.

I either play the same, Because im confused and happy i just hit a set lol.

Or as you said, Call 3bet on flop. Check/Raise the Turn, Bet the River(unless sure he'll bet).

Don't understand PT info in this context, Must learn it.

[ClaytonN]

Maybe villain would raise again on a big bet street if the flop only went three bets?

i.e. turn -&gt; check check bet raise...

[ClaytonN]

Chris: Read FAQ. It's very helpful!

And I'm glad you're providing advice. And you don't have to lead in with the tag "I'm a newbie".

We're all newbies to some degree. Every hand is different.

[Redd]

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Maybe villain would raise again on a big bet street if the flop only went three bets?

i.e. turn -&gt; check check bet raise...

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Most 0.6AF types aren't big on pushing back at repeated aggression.

[ClaytonN]

I disagree. He just 3-bet the flop.

His 0.6 AF tells me he's got something BIG, but it's 2nd best to my hand.

[iNsChris]

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Chris: Read FAQ. It's very helpful!

We're all newbies to some degree. Every hand is different.

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First part - Yeh i've read this, But i dont fully understand these numbers in context.

For example(numbers made up lol)
40/1/5 would be LAG?
10/4/3 TAG?

I roughly understand, But couldn't tell slight difference that would make a major difference to my reads at the moment.

2nd part - I suppose we are all newbies in some ways, But my post count may confuse "Newer" posters into thinking i know 100% what i'm talking about. Posting that just ensures they are aware im new and may be wrong, Also means i may get advice on my comments.

Thanks,
P.s TAZ ? Spelling error right?

[Jakesta]

Another question:

How did you find such a good PS 1/2 full table?

[Redd]

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I disagree. He just 3-bet the flop.

His 0.6 AF tells me he's got something BIG, but it's 2nd best to my hand.

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Yeah, I see your point. But didn't he get that low AF by not betting/raising when he had good hands?

I probably don't have a good enough understanding of PT numbers to be sure what sort of hands he'd raise/not raise on the turn. Do you suppose that he'd 3-bet 2-pair on the flop, but then call a bet on the turn if an overcard fell?

[Redd]

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For example(numbers made up lol)
40/1/5 would be LAG?
10/4/3 TAG?

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First guy would be LP-A. This guy wouldn't raise JJ or even QQ preflop, so he's passive pre.

Second guy is TP-A. He's close to TAG but doesn't raise enough preflop or play enough hands. More weak-tight.

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P.s TAZ ? Spelling error right?

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TAZ is a PT autorate icon. As in, Tasmanian Devil. I didn't know there was actually a correct spelling.

[Buck_65]

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I like all streets. Why would you not cap the flop with all those players trapped? You have the nuts.

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This says it all. Don't make excuses, that turn might get checked through if you don't take your line. You played it perfectly. Sometimes hands play themselves.

[iNsChris]

I thought TAZ maybe TAG but hit wrong button lol, my bad.

Thanks for explanation, Seems logical(Feels stupid).
Anywhere else i can get a further explanation with more examples?

Would be good subject to ADD to Micro FAQ IMO.

Thanks.
p.s. sorry clay to sidetrack your thread.

[krishanleong]

grunching

I might of waited till the turn to raise, but it's a damn fine hand in it's own right. Nice job.

Krishan

[krishanleong]

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Maybe villain would raise again on a big bet street if the flop only went three bets?

i.e. turn -&gt; check check bet raise...

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No, a third diamond, an ace, a 8 could freeze him up. In order to go for a turn cr, you need a solid read or an ace high drawless board. This board is not a good board to go for a turn cr.

Krishan

[ClaytonN]

You guys aren't paying attention. There are 4 people in this hand on the turn, guys. Not 3.

<font color="blue">Hero</font>
<font color="red">Villain flop agressor </font>


check, check, <font color="blue">bet </font> , <font color="red">raise </font>

[milesdyson]

1. His raise potentially knocks players out.
2. You miss out on 3 SB on the flop.
3. He still might not raise.
4. etc.

[BrettP217]

I agree with all the plays you made after the flop but your play PR was a little questionable... it may have worked out that time but to just call being UTG with 88 /images/graemlins/confused.gif? In most situations I would have just thrown it away, but it looks like the table you were at was loose/passive so i would have made it 3.5 X the BB

B

[Jakesta]

You can't raise 3.5x the BB in a limit game. And calling UTG with eights is standard in any online microlimit game.