Mirage Adds 6-Player Tables

[Dynasty]

I was at the Mirage today and pokerbabe pointed out that management added two 6-player tables to the room. One of them is in the top section. The other is between the top section and cashier.

I haven't seen any 6-player tables in any other Vegas (or non-Vegas) casinos. And, I don't remember hearing of any in Vegas. So, it's kind of surprising that the usually inflexible Mirage managment is experimenting with these.

The 6-player tables aren't reserved for any specific limit. When I was there this afternoon, neither was being used.

[MisterKing]

This is a great development -- I'm interested in hearing what the fate of these tables is. The online 6max games are great, and it stands to reason the live ones would likely be the same if they ever caught on. Action players would flock to these for sure, assuming the stakes were right.

Interestingly, WSOP is also spreading an all 6-max tourney this year, so maybe that is the influence. I've always wondered why the online cardrooms don't spread 6-max MTTs, since it'd run a tourney with the same # of players in a shorter period of time (more $/per player/hour for the House).

I'll be out there next week, and will definitely hit up Mirage (for the 6/12)... if I see the 6max in action, I'll try to post something.

[Luv2DriveTT]

It sounds as if the Mirage poker room management realizes the must build the better mouse trap to remain competitive. Either that or they knew there was a bunch of 2+2'ers ont heir way in June who want to play Triple Draw 2-7 /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Now if they modify their must move policy, they will become truly innovative!

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[Dynasty]

These tables aren't going to last. I've yet to see a game running on them.

Today, every table in the Mirage was in use but three. Two of them were the 6-player tables.

[Evan]

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Of course not. Vegas locals hate playing short as it is, I definitely cannot see them sitting at a table that maxes out at 6 handed.

[NotMitch]

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These tables aren't going to last. I've yet to see a game running on them.

Today, every table in the Mirage was in use but three. Two of them were the 6-player tables.

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Is mgmt doing anything to try to start games on them? Do many players in the room even know they exist?

[MicroBob]

yeah. i think this is a weird experiment.

worse dealer to player ratio for the house....trying to push a game that many live players go out of their way to stay away from.
I assume that the rake might be slightly lower at 5 players or fewer as is typically done.
The tables could be looking at more hands per hour...but when I play 5 or 6 handed in Tunica there is a LOT of folding around to the blinds and even when the table decides 'no chopping' there just isn't much rake being taken or much tipping going on.


This is a really strange idea imo and I don't possibly see how it could succeed.

[TimTimSalabim]

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Of course not. Vegas locals hate playing short as it is, I definitely cannot see them sitting at a table that maxes out at 6 handed.

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I don't think the locals are the target group.

[slickpoppa]

I never understood why so many live players are against playing short handed. Short-handed = playing more hands.

[SinCityGuy]

I don't play B&M anymore, but when I used to play at the Mirage, I could usually get Kenny to reduce the rake to $2 when it was 6-handed. I wonder how much they're going to rake these 6-max games?

[TobDog]

Short-handed = playing more hands. = Players getting ripped off(spending more, however you view it) by the larger rake/player = players complaining to management for a rake break = management getting rid of the smaller tables. Just my opinion, D is right

[Evan]

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These tables aren't going to last.

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Of course not. Vegas locals hate playing short as it is, I definitely cannot see them sitting at a table that maxes out at 6 handed.

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I don't think the locals are the target group.

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Exactly why this idea won't work. You have to keep the locals happy if you want to have healthy games. This is the same reason that pros are good for game preservation, even though they're taking money from the live ones. This idea will not work because the people that keep the games alive won't like it.

[Chipr777]

My guess is these tables will be used for A-5, 2-7.

[Dynasty]

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My guess is these tables will be used for A-5, 2-7.

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Your guess is wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if the Mirage has never spread those games other than at the very high limits (at least 100-200).

[TimTimSalabim]

While I agree wholeheartedly that locals are important, Mirage has never had any trouble attracting and keeping them, but they also need a healthy amount of tourists, and they appear to be losing that battle lately to the newer rooms. So I would assume that the 6-max is a gimmick to try and draw in some WPT-watching tourists.

[The Armchair]

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My guess is these tables will be used for A-5, 2-7.

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Your guess is wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if the Mirage has never spread those games other than at the very high limits (at least 100-200).

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Is there a 2-7 WSOP event? If so, once that is aired, perhaps there will be demand for a lower-stakes one. Then again, there was no Razzolution after the 2004 WSOP.

[Luv2DriveTT]

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My guess is these tables will be used for A-5, 2-7.

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Your guess is wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if the Mirage has never spread those games other than at the very high limits (at least 100-200).

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Is there a 2-7 WSOP event? If so, once that is aired, perhaps there will be demand for a lower-stakes one. Then again, there was no Razzolution after the 2004 WSOP.

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Not this year /images/graemlins/frown.gif They didn't air last years game, but someone kindly posted the link for the unpaired episode today - LINK (http://broadband.espn.go.com/EBB2/baseline11/contentASX?url=mms://st11g1.services.att-idns.net/v1/744/2266/persistent/bb_041229wsop_kc.wm9_600k.long_format.wmv)

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[RydenStoompala]

I played at the table near the cashier for an hour and loved it. Too bad nobody else liked it. The game disolved as the players got absorbed into the full 10-20's. I think that three of the original players sat down before they realized there were just six chairs and then left as quickly as possible. There were just two of us who seemed eager to keep it going but he and I did not feel like putting on a heads up display all evening.

I was in games that stopped at five players or less three times in a week. Nobody seems to want to play shorthanded, even for a little while. And the old rocks? Fergetaboutit.

[BISCO]

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I've always wondered why the online cardrooms don't spread 6-max MTTs, since it'd run a tourney with the same # of players in a shorter period of time (more $/per player/hour for the House).

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ultimatebet does one every day with a $30 buyin i believe

[Lawrence Ng]

I would think this to be a good idea, but maybe just not in Vegas. I personally love live short handed games, and the house is usually accomadating enough to lower the rake.

Lawrence