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milesdyson

05-27-2005, 03:02 AM

Early in session both BB and MP have already proved to be donks, hence the river call.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, MP calls, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, MP calls, Button calls.

Flop: (8 SB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP raises, Button folds, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, MP calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, MP calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17.50 BB

Results:
Hero has Th Ac (two pair, tens and sixes).
BB has 6s 3d (full house, sixes full of twos).
MP has 3s Td (two pair, tens and sixes).
Outcome: BB wins 17.50 BB.

Jakesta

05-27-2005, 03:03 AM

Lol I want to sit to the right of BB every day that I can.

cmwck

05-27-2005, 03:21 AM

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Lol I want to sit to the right of BB every day that I can.

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Don't you mean to his left?

irishpint

05-27-2005, 03:38 AM

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Lol I want to sit to the right of BB every day that I can.

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Don't you mean to his left?

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wouldnt you want right so he acts after you everytime and will call all your bets/raises?

kapw7

05-27-2005, 03:43 AM

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Lol I want to sit to the right of BB every day that I can.

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Why? You can't have a better pattern mapper? Calling this with 63o he must know what he is doing.

mmbt0ne

05-27-2005, 03:44 AM

http://www.f2f2s.com/images/star.jpg

scotty34

05-27-2005, 03:45 AM

I was dying to post these, but really didn't want to start up a bad beat thread. Since you did it already though, this seems like a perfect place.

These 2 had me going on full out tilt right after (they happened within 5 mins of each other)

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Preflop: Hero is CO with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
3 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB folds.

River: (9.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 7d 5s (two pair, sevens and fives).
Hero has Jh Js (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 9.50 BB. 

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
6 folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (10 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Jh Jd (one pair, jacks).
BB has 5d 8h (straight, nine high).
Outcome: BB wins 12 BB. 

I figured I had to add these ones in too. 3 KK's in a half hour, and each one meets the same unhappy fate (I'm glad I managed to lay the last one down on the flop though, who would have done that?) Online poker is rigged.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, MP1 3-bets, CO calls, Button folds, Hero caps, BB folds, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (15 SB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, MP1 caps, CO folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls.

River: (16.50 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18.50 BB

Results in white below: 
MP1 has As Ac (full house, fours full of aces).
Hero has Ks Kd (full house, fours full of kings).
Outcome: MP1 wins 18.50 BB. 

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG folds, MP2 caps, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.33 SB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero caps, MP2 calls.

Turn: (9.16 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

River: (11.16 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.16 BB

Results in white below: 
MP2 has As Ac (two pair, aces and eights).
Hero has Kd Ks (two pair, kings and eights).
Outcome: MP2 wins 13.16 BB. 

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero caps, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (13.33 SB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, CO 3-bets, Hero folds, MP1 caps, CO calls.

Turn: (11.16 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, CO bets, MP1 calls.

River: (13.16 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, CO bets, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 14.16 BB

Results in white below: 
CO has Ah Ad (two pair, aces and fives).
Outcome: CO wins 14.16 BB.

scotty34

05-27-2005, 03:47 AM

hahahaha that has to be the best response to a bad beat post that I've ever seen. Has that been used anywhere before?

milesdyson

05-27-2005, 04:31 AM

I say meh to your bad beats.

Weatherhead03

05-27-2005, 04:32 AM

Add me to your friends list, you suck! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

scotty34

05-27-2005, 04:44 AM

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I say meh to your bad beats.

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The KK vs AA ones are obviously not even bad beats. But are you trying to tell me the guy was not using a pattern mapper in my JJ hands? I can see no other possibiilty.

milesdyson

05-27-2005, 05:05 AM

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I say meh to your bad beats.

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The KK vs AA ones are obviously not even bad beats. But are you trying to tell me the guy was not using a pattern mapper in my JJ hands? I can see no other possibiilty.

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They're reraising what looks like blind steals from you, and they happen to hit flops. You were never a huge favorite to win either of those hands. I am sorry.....

bottomset

05-27-2005, 05:14 AM

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I say meh to your bad beats.

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The KK vs AA ones are obviously not even bad beats. But are you trying to tell me the guy was not using a pattern mapper in my JJ hands? I can see no other possibiilty.

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They're reraising what looks like blind steals from you, and they happen to hit flops. You were never a huge favorite to win either of those hands. I am sorry.....

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well JJ vs 2 nonsuited 1gap undercards is a pretty large favorite but I agree with you miles .. i don't blink unless they hit a 1-2 outer on the turn or river, and most of the time those don't bug me anymore

milesdyson

05-27-2005, 05:20 AM

Any two cards versus an overpair is nothing...

In my hand I was more a favorite on the flop than AA is to AK preflop (ignoring the T3 dude). Chew on those balls.

MrEngenic

05-27-2005, 06:48 AM

I feel your pain brother. This one is even more extreme since it wasn't a steal situation and capped preflop, so I expected to see AA or KK.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
3 folds, Irafen raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, Irafen caps, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Irafen checks, Hero bets, Irafen calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Irafen checks, Hero bets, Irafen raises, Hero calls.

River: (9.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Irafen bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

Results below:
Irafen has 7h Qs (full house, sevens full of fives).
Hero has As Ks (two pair, kings and sevens).
Outcome: Irafen wins 11.75 BB.

mlb3zr

05-27-2005, 10:06 AM

you know your session blows when you lose because you improved...

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Preflop: Heroine is UTG+2 with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Heroine raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls $4.75 (All-In), 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, Heroine calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (12.87 SB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, UTG checks, Heroine bets, MP2 raises, SB calls, UTG folds, Heroine 3-bets, MP2 caps, SB calls, Heroine calls.

Turn: (12.43 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Heroine checks, MP2 bets, SB calls, Heroine raises, MP2 3-bets, SB folds, Heroine caps, MP2 calls.

River: (21.43 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
Heroine bets, MP2 raises, Heroine calls.

Final Pot: 25.43 BB

Results:
Heroine has Ks Kd (full house, kings full of nines).
MP2 has 9c 9d (four of a kind, nines).
CO has 5d As (one pair, nines).
Outcome: MP2 wins 25.43 BB.

bozlax

05-27-2005, 11:10 AM

*snore*

These two hands ended my session two days ago. Last table open. Same villan. In this order:

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 3 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, MP1 calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, CO raises, MP1 folds, Hero 3-bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

Hero shows [ Kc, Ks ] two pairs, kings and twos.
MP1 shows [ 5s, 3s ] a straight, two to six.
MP1 wins $13.5 from the main pot with a straight, two to six.

So, after that there's no way I'm giving him credit for any kind of a hand on the next one...right up until a flush falls on the flop. Rassin', frassin', mumbo-jumbo, rat bastard. Remember, this is THE VERY NEXT HAND.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls.

River: (9.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

Hero has Kh Kc (one pair, kings).
MP3 has As Js (flush, ace high).
Outcome: MP3 wins 11.75 BB.

krishanleong

05-27-2005, 11:20 AM

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you know your session blows when you lose because you improved...

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Preflop: Heroine is UTG+2 with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Heroine raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls $4.75 (All-In), 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, Heroine calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (12.87 SB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, UTG checks, Heroine bets, MP2 raises, SB calls, UTG folds, Heroine 3-bets, MP2 caps, SB calls, Heroine calls.

Turn: (12.43 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Heroine checks, MP2 bets, SB calls, Heroine raises, MP2 3-bets, SB folds, Heroine caps, MP2 calls.

River: (21.43 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
Heroine bets, MP2 raises, Heroine calls.

Final Pot: 25.43 BB

Results:
Heroine has Ks Kd (full house, kings full of nines).
MP2 has 9c 9d (four of a kind, nines).
CO has 5d As (one pair, nines).
Outcome: MP2 wins 25.43 BB.

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This is one hell of a beat. I was there when it happened. All these hands with opponents calling is nothing and sucking out is nowhere near this hands level. This hand is nasty.

Krishan

deception5

05-27-2005, 11:28 AM

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Results:
Heroine has Ks Kd (full house, kings full of nines).
MP2 has 9c 9d (four of a kind, nines).
CO has 5d As (one pair, nines).
Outcome: MP2 wins 25.43 BB.

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I don't think I could have helped 3-betting the river there /images/graemlins/smile.gif

krishanleong

05-27-2005, 11:29 AM

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Results:
Heroine has Ks Kd (full house, kings full of nines).
MP2 has 9c 9d (four of a kind, nines).
CO has 5d As (one pair, nines).
Outcome: MP2 wins 25.43 BB.

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I don't think I could have helped 3-betting the river there /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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This is a damned interesting hand. How would you hand read it up to that point. The read at the time was a sane person.

Krishan

matt42s

05-27-2005, 12:37 PM

Nastier?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP2 caps, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, MP1 folds.

River: (12.25 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero caps, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 20.25 BB

Results :
MP2 has 7s 7h (four of a kind, sevens).
Hero has 8s 8h (full house, eights full of sevens).
Outcome: MP2 wins 20.25 BB.

krishanleong

05-27-2005, 12:52 PM

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Nastier?

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Nope, you didn't go 4 bets on the turn with the best hand.

Krishan

bottomset

05-27-2005, 02:05 PM

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you know your session blows when you lose because you improved...

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Preflop: Heroine is UTG+2 with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Heroine raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls $4.75 (All-In), 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, Heroine calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (12.87 SB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, UTG checks, Heroine bets, MP2 raises, SB calls, UTG folds, Heroine 3-bets, MP2 caps, SB calls, Heroine calls.

Turn: (12.43 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Heroine checks, MP2 bets, SB calls, Heroine raises, MP2 3-bets, SB folds, Heroine caps, MP2 calls.

River: (21.43 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
Heroine bets, MP2 raises, Heroine calls.

Final Pot: 25.43 BB

Results:
Heroine has Ks Kd (full house, kings full of nines).
MP2 has 9c 9d (four of a kind, nines).
CO has 5d As (one pair, nines).
Outcome: MP2 wins 25.43 BB.

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This is one hell of a beat. I was there when it happened. All these hands with opponents calling is nothing and sucking out is nowhere near this hands level. This hand is nasty.

Krishan

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but besides the bad preflop call, didn't MP2 play the hand correct?? ...

krishanleong

05-27-2005, 02:10 PM

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This is one hell of a beat. I was there when it happened. All these hands with opponents calling is nothing and sucking out is nowhere near this hands level. This hand is nasty.

Krishan

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but besides the bad preflop call, didn't MP2 play the hand correct?? ...

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Perfectly. And preflop isn't much of a stretch if you imagine loose blinds etc...

Krishan

MrEngenic

05-27-2005, 03:50 PM

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This is one hell of a beat. I was there when it happened. All these hands with opponents calling is nothing and sucking out is nowhere near this hands level. This hand is nasty.
Krishan

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Not really. The pot is bigger but the chance of winning for the opponent is MUCH higher. In my hand my opponent had to hit runner runner 7's OR runner runner Q's i.e 0.5 % chance to win on the flop. Loosing to four of a kind with a higher set is ten times as likely!

Shillx

05-27-2005, 04:00 PM

I would keep going on the river. All the villian has told you is that he can beat AK. From the villian's standpoint, 99 and 98 are EXACTLY the same hand on the turn. They both lose to KK and they both crush AK and AA. If the villian liked 98 (two pair) on the turn, he is going to like his house on the river. Similar comments apply to 88 and K9.

Brad

mlb3zr

05-27-2005, 08:00 PM

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I would keep going on the river. All the villian has told you is that he can beat AK. From the villian's standpoint, 99 and 98 are EXACTLY the same hand on the turn. They both lose to KK and they both crush AK and AA. If the villian liked 98 (two pair) on the turn, he is going to like his house on the river. Similar comments apply to 88 and K9.

Brad

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villain was pretty solid, though - something like 16/5/2 over 100+ hands. I couldn't see him coldcalling with 98 or K9, without anyone else calling between us. after he 3-bets my turn cr, I was like 99% sure he had a set of 8's or 9's. and one of those two hands kicks my ass on the river. so that's why I didn't 3-bet the river.