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mithong
05-26-2005, 11:48 PM
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Preflop: Hero is CO with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero (poster) calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, MP1 calls, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds.

River: (10.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, UTG+2 folds.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB


i obviously knew that someone had to have the A and I was drawing to another K or J... but the pot was big.. so was I right to call the flop for one bet?
istewart
05-26-2005, 11:50 PM
Well-played. Scream at UTG+2 for checking the turn, knowing you turned kings-up /images/graemlins/smile.gif
sin808
05-26-2005, 11:52 PM
getting 12.5:1 a call is easy. Question should be, should you raise?
Isura
05-26-2005, 11:52 PM
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obviously knew that someone had to have the A and I was drawing to another K or J... but the pot was big.. so was I right to call the flop for one bet?

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Absolutely. You have 5 outs to 2 pair (probably none are counterfeited since there aren't many other draws out), no need to worry about a set yet, and you have a backdoor flush draw. It's probably safe to say you have 6 outs when behind, and sometimes you are ahead.
istewart
05-26-2005, 11:54 PM
Only reason I can see to raise is to fold something like QT.

You get 3-bet here very often though.
atnels
05-26-2005, 11:58 PM
Before we all start sucking each others' [censored], I feel obligated to mention that if you respect UTG+2's raising standards it might be appropriate to discount your outs a little bit. You're drawing to running jacks if he has AK and dead to AA or KK....
Jakesta
05-26-2005, 11:59 PM
Nice hand brutha.

100% super standahd.
sin808
05-27-2005, 12:01 AM
heh, I wasn't advocating raising here, just clearing up what the original question should have been, since the call should be a no brainer given the pot size (no offense to the OP of course).
Aaron W.
05-27-2005, 01:25 AM
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Before we all start sucking each others' [censored], I feel obligated to mention that if you respect UTG+2's raising standards it might be appropriate to discount your outs a little bit. You're drawing to running jacks if he has AK and dead to AA or KK....

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MUBS. Look at the whole picture, not just the scary part of it.

In trouble against 10 hands:
AA = 3 ways
KK = 1 way
AK = 6 ways

Drawing to 3 outs against 6 hands:
AJ = 6 ways

Drawing to 5 outs against 12 hands:
AQ = 12 ways

Ahead of 15 hands against a tight raiser:
QQ = 6 ways
JJ = 3 ways
TT = 6 ways

Another possible 14 hands where Hero is doing okay if villain is a slightly looser raiser:
QJs = 3 ways
99 = 6 ways
ATs = 3 ways
KTs = 2 ways