JJ in first hand of $11 SnG

[Patriarch]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)
Button (t800)
SB (t800)
Hero (t800)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, MP3 calls t15, CO calls t15, Button calls t15, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t100</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: t160

I felt bad about this fold, but wasn't sure what else to do. I didn't want to call and then have to fold to an overcard on the flop. Maybe I should have called and bet out the flop if only one overcard came, then check/folded to a raise or call.
It would have been a big mistake to push, right?

[crookedhat99]

Folding is very weak, you have position on the raiser with a very strong hand and you own his $11 range. Just call and see a flop.

[multifast1]

Problem with just calling here is he still has 3 more limpers to act behind.. and pumping up the pot with a call might cause more people to call or even push.

[Voltron87]

do this:


***** Hand History for Game 2105739153 *****
15/30 TOURNEYTEXASHTGAMETABLE (NL) (TOURNAMENT 12529332) - WED MAY 25 21:27:59 EDT 2005
Table Table 13839 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: magg_4105 (800)
Seat 2: richalks (800)
Seat 3: syr_idiot (800)
Seat 4: mpokerw (800)
Seat 5: george75111 (800)
Seat 6: Frank_has_u (800)
Seat 7: Szechuan87 (800)
Seat 8: NuttnFuts (800)
Seat 9: manno31 (800)
Seat 10: sjb81 (800)
magg_4105 posts small blind (10)
richalks posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Szechuan87 [ Jd, Js ]
syr_idiot calls (15)
mpokerw calls (15)
george75111 calls (15)
Frank_has_u calls (15)
Szechuan87 raises (175) to 175
NuttnFuts calls (175)
manno31 calls (175)
sjb81 folds.
magg_4105 folds.
richalks folds.
syr_idiot calls (160)
sjb81: this should be ggod
mpokerw folds.
george75111 calls (160)
sjb81: yo mag
NuttnFuts: today would b nice
sjb81: de ja vu
Frank_has_u calls (160)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6c, 2h, Kd ]
syr_idiot checks.
george75111 checks.
Frank_has_u checks.
Szechuan87 bets (625)
Szechuan87 is all-In.
NuttnFuts folds.
manno31 folds.
syr_idiot folds.
george75111 folds.
magg_4105: whats going on
Frank_has_u folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1715 with Szechuan87
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1715
Board: [ 6c 2h Kd ]
magg_4105 balance 790, lost 10 (folded)
richalks balance 785, lost 15 (folded)
syr_idiot balance 625, lost 175 (folded)
mpokerw balance 785, lost 15 (folded)
george75111 balance 625, lost 175 (folded)
Frank_has_u balance 625, lost 175 (folded)
Szechuan87 balance 1715, bet 800, collected 1715, net +915 [ Jd Js ] [ a pair of jacks -- Kd,Jd,Js,6c,2h ]
NuttnFuts balance 625, lost 175 (folded)
manno31 balance 625, lost 175 (folded)
sjb81 balance 800, didn't bet (folded)

[1C5]

I would fold that I think. 50 and I call but 100 is a little steep for JJ when the blinds are still in rd 1.

[Rex Ruthless]

It would be stupid (but still possible) for the SB to be doing this with any two cards just to pick up blinds and limp bets so early in the tourney. My feeling is you're either dominated by a bigger pair or a coin-flip against two bigger cards. I lean towards seeing the flop and proceeding with caution if overcards come. If you have an overpair to the flop, you may have the best hand. If he checks to you, bet half the pot, and if he then checkraises, fold and wait for a better spot. If he bets out half the pot or so, try a raise, and if he reraises, fold. You will still have chips to play with.

[wiggs73]

i made the same play the other day. obviously, most of the time, you don't want to lay down JJ pre-flop, but i do feel that certain situations call for it. i think this is one of those, although you could make an argument to raise here too.

calling is by far the worst option, imo. if you call, you're likely seeing a multi-way flop against one or several over cards. when blinds are 10-15, this is something you want to avoid with pairs unless you get into the pot cheaply. you can no longer do that here.

on the other hand a raise would likely isolate the initial raiser at least, making the hand a bit more playable. interestingly, i don't think i'd push here if i did choose to raise. i'd probably bump it to about 300 and see how the action went. assuming 1 call from the initial raiser, i'd fold to a bet on an flop with any overcards and push if he checked.

to quote lorinda 3:16, do you need to win this pot? you have 15 chips invested and it's level one, so i think the answer is no. so personally, i'd just fold and move on to the next hand.

[Nathan183]

Because this is the first hand, and ONLY because it is the first hand, I might push. The reason being, for some reason, I can't count the number of times I've seen 66, A4 or K10 call an all-in on the first hand of an $11.

[gman420]

i think i'd either raise it up to 300 to try and get the pot heads-up, or just move all-in to take it. If no overcard comes on the flop, then I'd move all in. If one overcard comes and I'm bet into, I think you either fold move all-in, though i'm not sure which. If he checks an overcard on the flop, I prob check behind him. It is early, but the rounds go quickly so when I get JJ I try to do something with it. let me know if my thinking is off.

[MixedNuts]

I'm in the folding camp. There's only $15 invested and still some limpers to go. You are 50-50 with the raiser, (having the overpair and bluff cancel each other) The problem with this is it is at least 12.5% of your stack, and probably more that you're risking on one hand. On the flip-side there's not much time invested so U can do the all-in and go to the next tournament if u lose.

I also agree that calling is the worst option. WIth multiple players your chances of winning plummet. U need to be heads up or out.

My 2c

[Moonsugar]

This is an interesting PF decision.

I never played a $11 so don't know what typical players would raise 100 in the SB with. At my limits it is typically a strong ace or a pair. 3 players have shown weakness maybe AJ is trying to win right here. Or maybe he has QQ. You have to define a range for him. For most players I think your JJ will be a significant fav vs. his range. If you get other callers the value of your JJ falls quickly. (I think the prospect of one of the limpers having you dominated with a bigger pair is very very very small)

If you agree with my analysis then you have 2 options:

a) raise an amount large enough to get everyone else to fold , maybe somewhere bwetween 350 and all in. I would not raise all in here if I wouldn't also raise AA all in here sometimes.

or

b) call and hope for more callers. Play JJ for set value.

Both of these strategies have merit and I will do both depending on table and randomizing play.

[FlyingSumo]

I think allin brings the most $/hr. Considering the callingrange of 11$ sng's. Folding is the 2nd best option in my opinion.