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The_Bends
05-26-2005, 03:13 PM
Ok here is an article posted by Paul Samuel on pokerpages

http://www.pokerpages.com/articles/archives/samuel41.htm

The point of the article is that in his analysis on a board of

4 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 7 /images/graemlins/club.gif

8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif J /images/graemlins/spade.gif beats 4 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 4 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 45.56% of the time. Paul himself comments that this is suprisingly high and I thought so too. So I went over to 2dimes and imputted the hands which came out as

pokenum -h 4d 4h - 8s js -- 4s 9s 7c
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 9s 4s 7c
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
4d 4h 655 66.16 335 33.84 0 0.00 0.662
Js 8s 335 33.84 655 66.16 0 0.00 0.338

So is 2dimes right or is PS? If PS is wrong what is incorrect in his analysis (in the above article)

kyro
05-26-2005, 03:34 PM
I think PS forgot the 44 redraw outs...

LetYouDown
05-26-2005, 03:36 PM
Twodimes is correct. I'm working on the math now...but I take a computer over a human any day of the week when it comes to math.

fluff
05-26-2005, 03:40 PM
I think he made 2 mistakes:

1)Counting 12 outs for the J8s (9 spades and 3 non-spade tens), which gives the hand a 45% chance of winning with 2 cards to come, when in fact the 7 /images/graemlins/spade.gif is not an out.

2)Not counting the outs that the set to make a boat has even if the flush hits.

kyro
05-26-2005, 03:46 PM
This raises two questions.

1) How is he a pro? I realize everyone makes mistakes but this isn't even close.

2) Who the hell edits this stuff? I'm sorry, but the minute I see that a gutshot straight and flush draw is a slight underdog to a set, I'm checking the numbers myself. Embarrassing if you ask me.

The_Bends
05-26-2005, 03:48 PM
In which case you have to wonder what the hell he's doing. Surely a pro writer who's whole career is based upon his maths would check it before putting it up on such a well known site. Odd.