AJs -

[iNsChris]

I was going crazy thinking what hand this guy has, So i capped some streets (Many outs to the FullHouse - Figured why not) and on others i thought he may have a monster.

Anyhow, With no reads i was confused.

Anyone like to guess his hands?

I figure cold calling preflop raise puts him on a fairly good hand. He didn't reraise though, So Ax.

Im behind AK AQ - Fancy my chances.

Constructive please (Eeeeek).

[May 26 11:40:23] : Hand Start.
[May 26 11:40:23] : Seat 1 : wininagn has $3.41
[May 26 11:40:23] : Seat 2 : plaidt has $10.15
[May 26 11:40:23] : Seat 3 : iNsChris has $2.17
[May 26 11:40:23] : Seat 4 : Tmonk has $2.58
[May 26 11:40:23] : Seat 5 : cartie has $6.05
[May 26 11:40:23] : Seat 6 : antiekclass has $1.32
[May 26 11:40:23] : Seat 7 : bottler1 has $0.65
[May 26 11:40:23] : Seat 8 : sgt_muff has $2.50
[May 26 11:40:23] : Seat 9 : gazzra has $1
[May 26 11:40:23] : antiekclass is the dealer.
[May 26 11:40:23] : bottler1 posted small blind.
[May 26 11:40:24] : sgt_muff posted big blind.
[May 26 11:40:29] : gazzra posted big blind.
[May 26 11:40:31] : cartie posted big blind.
[May 26 11:40:31] : Game [83309] started with 9 players.
[May 26 11:40:31] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[May 26 11:40:31] : Seat 3 : iNsChris has Js As
[May 26 11:40:35] : gazzra raised $0.05
[May 26 11:40:39] : wininagn called $0.10
[May 26 11:40:47] : plaidt folded.
[May 26 11:40:49] : iNsChris called $0.10
[May 26 11:40:49] : Tmonk called $0.10
[May 26 11:40:49] : cartie folded.
[May 26 11:40:49] : antiekclass called $0.10
[May 26 11:40:53] : bottler1 folded.
[May 26 11:40:53] : sgt_muff called $0.05
[May 26 11:40:54] : Dealing flop.
[May 26 11:40:54] : Board cards [8/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif]


[May 26 11:40:55] : sgt_muff bet $0.05
[May 26 11:40:57] : gazzra called $0.05
[May 26 11:41:01] : wininagn folded.
[May 26 11:41:01] : iNsChris called $0.05 and raised $0.05
[May 26 11:41:03] : Tmonk called $0.10 and raised $0.05
[May 26 11:41:10] : antiekclass called $0.15
[May 26 11:41:11] : sgt_muff called $0.10
[May 26 11:41:12] : gazzra called $0.10
[May 26 11:41:13] : iNsChris called $0.05
[May 26 11:41:13] : Dealing turn.
[May 26 11:41:13] : Board cards [8/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif T/images/graemlins/club.gif]


[May 26 11:41:16] : sgt_muff checked.
[May 26 11:41:17] : gazzra checked.
[May 26 11:41:17] : iNsChris bet $0.10
[May 26 11:41:18] : Tmonk called $0.10 and raised $0.10
[May 26 11:41:24] : antiekclass folded.
[May 26 11:41:28] : sgt_muff called $0.20
[May 26 11:41:28] : gazzra folded.
[May 26 11:41:31] : iNsChris called $0.10 and raised $0.10
[May 26 11:41:33] : Tmonk called $0.10 and raised $0.10
[May 26 11:41:34] : sgt_muff called $0.20
[May 26 11:41:35] : iNsChris called $0.10
[May 26 11:41:35] : Dealing river.
[May 26 11:41:35] : Board cards [8/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif T/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif]
[May 26 11:41:38] : sgt_muff checked.
[May 26 11:41:39] : iNsChris bet $0.10
[May 26 11:41:42] : Tmonk called $0.10 and raised $0.10
[May 26 11:41:43] : sgt_muff folded.
[May 26 11:41:46] : iNsChris called $0.10

Thanks,
Post results if needed after feedback.

[Losfer]

I like your line.

With no reads it's kind of hard to put him on anything, but I'd guess AK-AT or KK-88.

[iNsChris]

my line was called "confusion" /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Anyone else?

[Womble]

Hmmmmm, the hand is very hard to read. Try to simplify it a bit. On the flop, you smooth called to get more money in on the turn. If you are doing this then check-raise the turn.

[Sarge85]

_ACK_

you've got to trim this hand history up if you want people to bother reading it.

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[bozlax]

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you've got to trim this hand history up if you want people to bother reading it.

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I read it...didn't understand it, but I read it. More coffee, here!

[bozlax]

Ok, first of all you've got to do a little work and get this readable. Just summarize the action and such, but I've just spent 10 minutes reconstructing the hand on a piece of paper for myself.

Second, you shouldn't post player names with the history. Bad form.

As to the hand: why didn't you cap the flop (I'm presuming a 4-bet cap, here)? You were last to act, and it seems unlikely you were losing anybody, cap away (you know that only one of them can possibly have another ace, so the only other hand you're worried about is pocket 8s). Once he caps the turn I might just check/call the river, but I also think you're ok bet/calling; if you check/call, the extra player might stay in and you wind up with the same pot but less of a contribution from you.

So, all in all, bad post, nice hand.

BTW, not the worst thing in the world to limp AK/AQ from MP in a raised pot. As the hand was playing, tho, sitting in your seat, I'd be more likely to think Villan had 88 or A8.

[Fantam]

What must Tmonk have expected the PF raiser or you to have? He must have considered that either of you might have AA,KK,QQ,JJ,TT,99,AK,AQ,AJ or KQ.

So when he 3-bet the flop he must have had at least Ax or been able to beat a set of A's.

When he then raises your turn bet, I suspect that he has 88, and when he caps your turn 3-bet (which I feel is a bit too strong), I am sure he must have 88.

I definitely would have checked the river, and I expect that he showed you the 88.

I look forward to seeing the results. Maybe he had A2 instead? LOL /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I see now that he had AK and had not raised PF with it.

[iNsChris]

Yeh the site is unpopular and takes ages to reconstruct these poor historys, Names are unlikly to cause any problems due to 1 player here actually playing at my site (And they play NL not limit).


I got in a muddle on this hand,

He turned over AK (Aq being the only other hand to beat me).

Pot was 25BB's.

Will join Pokerstars soon so i can post hands using converter, Wont support these historys.

Thanks

[bozlax]

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Aq being the only other hand to beat me.

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No, TT/88/44/AT/A8/A4 all beat you, and are all more or less consistent with the way a "normal" micro-limit player would play this hand.

[iNsChris]

True, But calling preflop with those... (Except TT maybe AT) is doubtfull?

What do you mean by "Normal"? I.e. Poor?

I played it bad IMO, I was torn between his hand beating me... and taking advantage of a fairly nice hand expecting to win.

I doubted i would win though, hurt to click reraise /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[deception5]

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So when he 3-bet the flop he must have had at least Ax or been able to beat a set of A's.

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On a paired ace flop like this I think it would often be 3-bet with any pocket pair over 8's.

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When he then raises your turn bet, I suspect that he has 88, and when he caps your turn 3-bet (which I feel is a bit too strong), I am sure he must have 88.

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When he raises the turn bet I give credit for an ace and am slowing down because there is now a very real possibility that you are behind or splitting. A 3-bet here is not unreasonable though. I would definitely check/call the river against a cap though.

[bozlax]

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TT/88/44/AT/A8/A4

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True, But calling preflop with those... (Except TT maybe AT) is doubtfull?

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All the PPs are going to call, IMO, and might crazygonuts on the flop thinking you're trying to bully them off. And I see players calling ace-anything under any circumstances all the time.

Edit: in fact, since there are already 3 players in in a raised pot, I can't imagine a "normal" (read: loose, but not necessarily "bad") micro player that wouldn't see the flop with one of these hands. Did you consider re-raising PF?

Granted, I play .5/1 and 1/2, not .05/.10, but I can't believe it gets any tighter down there /images/graemlins/tongue.gif.

[iNsChris]

This limit (At my site) has plenty of lucky "fish" specially lately.. Huge influx of these.

However, I tried .25/.50 and theres alot more bluffing, LAGS, and less TAGS.

This limit seems to be "Raise with good hand" "Fit or fold" and lucky players hitting 10 to 1 gutshots.

I had the opponant on Ax and was 90% sure about that. So i felt i was ok to go to showdown thats for sure, Just wasnt sure if i wanted to make pot huge or not.

and i lost to the two reasonable hands i thought they would be holding /images/graemlins/frown.gif ( AQ/AK)..

But then i said to myself "But no preflop raise?" however it seems passive play is the new aggressive play at my site.

Thanks guys.