Post your micro-limit progress graph.

[HentaiGaijin]

I used PokGra.exe to generate a .5/1 progress graph. I'd love to see other graphs at this limit. What makes a healthy graph? (If you have links to threads on this, please post them...)
http://www.extropica.com/images/progress_graph.jpg

[irishpint]

whered u get that graph program? i saw the link earlier but cant find it now.

[HentaiGaijin]

Search the PT forums for "pokgra.exe"

[irishpint]

[ QUOTE ]
Search the PT forums for "pokgra.exe"

[/ QUOTE ]

i found it and downloaded but it says i need to download some patch or something from microsoft so i said f it.

[grjr]

Party .50/1

http://home.satx.rr.com/alphadeals/graph052505.jpg

[HentaiGaijin]

How long have you played Grit? You have a very even rate of increase. My graph, although over a much shorter period of time, is wobbly.

[benkath1]

pokergrapher.com

Now, how in the hell do you post the graph? Is it the same way you post screenshots of your PT stats, because I can't do that either?

[HentaiGaijin]

I uploaded it a personal website.

[grjr]

[ QUOTE ]
How long have you played Grit? You have a very even rate of increase. My graph, although over a much shorter period of time, is wobbly.

[/ QUOTE ]

"grit" /images/graemlins/grin.gif

I've played limit for 6 months now. The more hands you have on the graph the more linear it's going to look because the 80BB swings look a lot smaller compared to the total BB's.

[RockPile]

OKay... my .50/1 graph first.. try to guess when the downswing happened

http://www3.telus.net/diabolic/0.50-1.00.jpg


And now my beginning foray into 1/2.. I hate it already, help.

http://www3.telus.net/diabolic/1.00-2.00.jpg

[macdaddy991]

i have a graph, how do i post it?

[stretch22]

it's like a fairy tale

[Stuey]

[ QUOTE ]
i have a graph, how do i post it?

[/ QUOTE ]

Press ctrl+print screen when the graph is the open program this puts it into your computers memory.

Then paste it into a paint program this converts it to a useable file type.

Next save the file onto your hard drive, this lets you use the picture in other programs.

This site, www.photobucket.com (http://www.photobucket.com), will host the picture online for free. Setup a account, upload your picture to the online host. Then you get a URL from www.photobucket.com (http://www.photobucket.com) that you use in your 2+2 post to point to your picture.
whew! gl

I see you setup your avatar correctly so this should be pretty much the same process.

[macdaddy991]

.50/1
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/zugos/fiftyone.jpg
/images/graemlins/smile.gif


1/2
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/zugos/onetwo.jpg
/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[J_B]

.5/1:

http://www.joesarcade.com/1.jpg

and why I don't play 1/2 any more /images/graemlins/frown.gif

http://www.joesarcade.com/2.jpg

[MrEngenic]

My 0.5/1 graph.

http://www.dd.chalmers.se/~isakande/051hands.jpg


A very rocky 1/2 experience! The downsing from 12k hands to 18k hands happened during a single week. I don't know it it was bad luck or a combination of bad luck and bad play... There was no end in sight to this downswing so I dropped down to 0.5/1 again. At that time I was at 13k hands on 0.5/1 and naturally the downswing continued as you can see in the upper graph. I went up to 1/2 again after 22k 0.5/1 hands and now it looks much better. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

http://www.dd.chalmers.se/~isakande/12hands.jpg

[davelin]

http://img210.echo.cx/img210/5838/126uf.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[krishanleong]

move up. All of you.

Krishan

[Losfer]

http://people.emich.edu/dgarland/graph.jpg

I'm a little worried about my graph. Anyone else think that big dip is more than just variance?

[FlopMe]

This is a very low VP$IP approach to .5/1

http://img236.echo.cx/img236/7926/pokergraph30eo.jpg

[HentaiGaijin]

I don't know if I'd qualify a +40 to -20 dip as that big. I don't think I'd worry about it too much...

[Losfer]

I looked at it more as +80 to -20 drop, but maybe I shouldn't worry about that either. My sample size is pretty small. Thanks for the response though.

[btspider]

The no major downswing over 20K hand graph of 6-max:

http://www.geocities.com/btspider/poker/6max.jpg

[shadow29]

[ QUOTE ]
move up. All of you.

Krishan

[/ QUOTE ]

Seconded. I cannot imagine playing 50k hands at .5/1.

[krishanleong]

Are you shitting me?

Krishan

[FlopMe]

Nope, I love it. .5/1 = /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[HentaiGaijin]

[ QUOTE ]
Nope, I love it. .5/1 = /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Doesn't the rake just kill you, though? I'm at +200 BB lifetime, but I believe my "real" winnings are only $87. I've definitely spent more than $87 on 2+2 literature to get to that point.

[krishanleong]

[ QUOTE ]
Nope, I love it. .5/1 = /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Move up to 2/4 this instant!

Krishan

[Grail]

.5-1, 99% Bonus clearing.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/grail01/Pt.jpg

1.4BB/100 total I am the suck!

[Schwartzy61]

Well here's my first couple thousand hands at Party. Started with the Instant Bankroll Promotion and thought I was never gonna get through it with that initial downswing, luckily turned it around and now am on my way. Been building my roll through some bonus whoring. Will be at UB for the next week or so clearing the Re-Load. At least now my roll is sufficient for .50/1...

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/schwarpa/PPGraph.jpg

[Nfinity]

Here's my .50/1 graph

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/Nfinity14/fifty-one.jpg

And because I couldn't go to sleep without giving you all something to be afraid of, my 1/2 graph.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/Nfinity14/onetwo.jpg

Wouldn't that drive you fvcking nutz?

[grjr]

[ QUOTE ]
This is a very low VP$IP approach to .5/1

http://img236.echo.cx/img236/7926/pokergraph30eo.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

This is a very high (27%) VP$IP approach to .50/1.

http://home.satx.rr.com/alphadeals/graph052505.jpg

Weird eh? I thought you posted my graph when I first saw it. The first little dip there at the beginning is almost identical.

[k000k]

The 1st half of this graph is 2 months of .5/1, the last half is 2 months of 2/4. That end of that big peak at 27k is when I switched. I'm glad there's not much difference! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

http://www.recoilrocks.com/poker/images/ptgraph.jpg

[kenberman]

that's almost identical to mine, except I did have a 20K hand downswing /images/graemlins/frown.gif

I've made those 200BB up, but man, those 20K hands sucked (I got too LAG, and ran bad as well).

[KingOtter]

http://notnats.com/zegograph.jpg

[dozer]

The first graph is .50 1. the second one is 1/2.
Looks like most of you had a big downswing at 1/2, I'm kind of scared looking at everyones charts, hope I don't hit a big downswing anytime soon, I just started 1/2.

http://img268.echo.cx/img268/7199/gt123graph2ac.jpg

[2+2 wannabe]

small sample size i know....
0.50/1
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/i_wanna_be_m/501graph.jpg

1/2
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/i_wanna_be_m/12graph.jpg

i suck at .50/1

[WarLordAG]

http://warlord.shatteredearth.net/5kgraph.jpg

[MDO67]

Impressive

[SlantNGo]

I'm okay at 0.5/1 (+ another 5K or so hands before I got PT)...
http://img125.echo.cx/img125/4966/party051graph1ef.jpg

But I blow at 1/2
http://img125.echo.cx/img125/1751/party12graph6bj.jpg

[HentaiGaijin]

Warlord, your graph looks almost identical to mine!

[Yako]

http://img150.echo.cx/img150/7186/501graph7yq.jpg

http://img150.echo.cx/img150/6900/12graph3aw.jpg

I can't wait for that damn downswing to end...

[Mister Z]

Wow - why does everyone's 1/2 graph look like a total swing-fest. What's the big adjustment everyone is failing to make - or is it just the nature of the level? Is it the rake structure or tougher opponents or just bad luck? I've only played about 6K hands at 1/2 but mine would look similar to a lot of these.

[Yako]

I think the thing that is causing the swing in mine is that all of a sudden, blind stealing/defending is a really important part of the game, whereas in 0.50/1.00 it wasn't an issue at all. So often times I have no clue what I'm doing when I try to steal and totally miss the flop but decide to bet the flop and turn and get check/raised on the turn. And it happens alot. Defense is a bit easier though, but not much, and I'm sure there's plenty of leaks to fix in both of these plays.

[Kumubou]

Not .5/1, but whatever:

http://www.rit.edu/~smt8716/kumubou_graph.jpg

This does not include ~2500 hands played and ~+75BB made at Pacific. (Since my HandGrabber trial expired and I really do not like Pacific, heh)

-K

[smartalecc5]

This is at 1/2. Once I had about 800 dollars I moved up to $1/2 and I definitely think I'l be staying here for a while. MY Aggression Factor is only like 1.10. I am working on becoming more agressive, which is pretty tough.http://img235.echo.cx/img235/5387/pokergraph526057tn.jpg
I also have won lots of money on paradise poker during the recent reload (about 150BB) playing 6max 1/2 but I did not upload or retrieve those hands.

[WarLordAG]

[ QUOTE ]
Warlord, your graph looks almost identical to mine!

[/ QUOTE ]

Maybe we're long lost brothers.

[waynethetrain]

$1 - $2 is an entirely different animal.

I was steam rolling .50 - $1.00 on multiple sites. When I moved to $1 - $2 at PP it got a lot rougher. Of course I also had a terrible run of cards while I was finding out how many things I was doing wrong. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Nfinity]

[ QUOTE ]
Wow - why does everyone's 1/2 graph look like a total swing-fest. What's the big adjustment everyone is failing to make - or is it just the nature of the level? Is it the rake structure or tougher opponents or just bad luck? I've only played about 6K hands at 1/2 but mine would look similar to a lot of these.

[/ QUOTE ]

My take:

1) First off, it's safe to say that your move to 1/2 is going to cause a little swinginess. I've heard it's natural to experience some turbulance when you move up.

2) At .50/1 the small pots that you lose due to play mistakes or just random suckouts don't matter as much because there is always going to be that next huge pot where your sure to win, and everybody still calls you down. At 1/2 those little pots matter, because those big pots don't come by as often as they used to.

3) Variance accompanies changes in playstyle. At .50/1 you can come right out the gate and just start wining. By the time your making adjustments to your game, your already beating it and those small adjustments are just blips on the radar. At 1/2, now you have to get in there and learn. Now blind stealing, that skill that hardly ever comes into play at .50/1, is essential. Now you have to work at your shorthanded game. It certainly is a different animal like somebody suggested.

[stlip]

1/2 is easy, this is hard. Hope it works!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/stlip/13b53a1e.jpg

[sin808]

.50/1
http://img282.echo.cx/img282/6244/501graph3on.jpg

1/2
http://img282.echo.cx/img282/9007/12graph4iy.jpg

[scotty34]

Ok, well here is most of my progress since starting to play poker back in February. Actually, I didn't start at Party until March after I bonus whored a decent roll to play with. I really wish I had played more hands during this time now that I look at it. I feel like a newb - I haven't even played 40K hands online.

My .50/1 Graph. I really didn't spend much time at all here, and a good amount of these hands were at the 2+2 LAG Fest games.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/smcleod08/50-1graph.jpg

My 1/2 Graph

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/smcleod08/1-2Graph.jpg

My 2/4 Graph. I have played most of my hands here.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/smcleod08/2-4Graph.jpg

I just moved up to 3/6. I have played about 4K hands there. I would post that graph, but hey, this is the micro forum /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[medaugh]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/Medaugh/pokergraph.jpg

remember you were all here once too /images/graemlins/smile.gif

actually just wanted to see if i could get it to work

[gvibes]

1/2
http://img150.echo.cx/img150/1465/129nz1.jpg

1/2 6-max
http://img150.echo.cx/img150/1708/126max7zb.jpg

1/2 6-max angers me, because I suck at it. I think I'm going to move up to 2/4 anyways soon.

[skoal2k4]

i think you probably could've moved up in limits long ago.

[nsdjoe]

.50/1

http://photobucket.com/albums/y278/nsdjoe/8k.jpg

My first downswing and it's bugging the heck out of me, even though I know it shouldn't.

[Demos]

http://www.fitcouture.com/images/newsletter/pokerchart.gif

First 25,000 hands was 0.5/1.00
Next 20,000 hands was 1.0/2.00
Next 25,000 hands was 2.0/4.00

Somewhere around 70,000 hands, I apparently forgot how to play poker. Last 15,000 hands have been back at 0.5/1.0 trying to remember.

[grjr]

[ QUOTE ]
i think you probably could've moved up in limits long ago.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think I've gotten better in the last month or so. I still have a strong aversion to losing though. Now that I'm averaging 8BB/100 at .50/1 the question becomes can I average 4bb/100 at 1/2 with the same amount of loss risk?

I've played a lot of 1/2 at the cryptos and did very well the first few months. In the last 2 months though it seems like I can't win a hand there. Bad beat after bad beat and it's really soured me on 1/2. So I run back to the safe harbor of Party .50/1.

95% of those Party hands were also clearing bonuses so I've made some pretty good money there. I guess if the bonuses dry up some then I'll have to look closer at 1/2 or 2/4.

[ClaytonN]

Mine is not working for some reason, though I think it's this computer.

If possible, could I e-mail my database to somebody so they could host it for me? I'd be greatly appreciative, PLUS it's only a ~2,750 hand sample.

[bottomset]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
i think you probably could've moved up in limits long ago.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think I've gotten better in the last month or so. I still have a strong aversion to losing though. Now that I'm averaging 8BB/100 at .50/1 the question becomes can I average 4bb/100 at 1/2 with the same amount of loss risk?

I've played a lot of 1/2 at the cryptos and did very well the first few months. In the last 2 months though it seems like I can't win a hand there. Bad beat after bad beat and it's really soured me on 1/2. So I run back to the safe harbor of Party .50/1.

95% of those Party hands were also clearing bonuses so I've made some pretty good money there. I guess if the bonuses dry up some then I'll have to look closer at 1/2 or 2/4.

[/ QUOTE ]

you won't make 8/100 forever, and 35k really doesn't lock it down much, if after a 100k you were still up there maybe ..

whats your W$SD for 1pair, 2pair, trips??

how many straights, flushes, fullhouses have you had(misc stats, check so its only the ones you haven't folded)??

you've had a very good run, but its not gonna stay that good

[grjr]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
i think you probably could've moved up in limits long ago.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think I've gotten better in the last month or so. I still have a strong aversion to losing though. Now that I'm averaging 8BB/100 at .50/1 the question becomes can I average 4bb/100 at 1/2 with the same amount of loss risk?

I've played a lot of 1/2 at the cryptos and did very well the first few months. In the last 2 months though it seems like I can't win a hand there. Bad beat after bad beat and it's really soured me on 1/2. So I run back to the safe harbor of Party .50/1.

95% of those Party hands were also clearing bonuses so I've made some pretty good money there. I guess if the bonuses dry up some then I'll have to look closer at 1/2 or 2/4.

[/ QUOTE ]

you won't make 8/100 forever, and 35k really doesn't lock it down much, if after a 100k you were still up there maybe ..

whats your W$SD for 1pair, 2pair, trips??

how many straights, flushes, fullhouses have you had(misc stats, check so its only the ones you haven't folded)??

you've had a very good run, but its not gonna stay that good

[/ QUOTE ]

Here's the Misc Stats table both ways.

http://home.satx.rr.com/alphadeals/MiscStatsChecked052705.jpg

http://home.satx.rr.com/alphadeals/MiscStatsNotChecked052705.jpg


I make more money with straights and flushes than most people here because I play more hands (even against raises) that can make straights and flushes. I think this has helped my BB/100.

[krishanleong]

[ QUOTE ]
I make more money with straights and flushes than most people here because I play more hands (even against raises) that can make straights and flushes. I think this has helped my BB/100.

[/ QUOTE ]

No, playing style has nothing to do with it. You should have 200 of each premium hand (striaghts, flushes, fulls). You are running really really hot.

Krishan

[grjr]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I make more money with straights and flushes than most people here because I play more hands (even against raises) that can make straights and flushes. I think this has helped my BB/100.

[/ QUOTE ]

No, playing style has nothing to do with it. You should have 200 of each premium hand (striaghts, flushes, fulls). You are running really really hot.

Krishan

[/ QUOTE ]

Sorry, but I have to call BS on this one. Of course playing style has something to do with how much you win on straights and flushes. Look at your Misc Stats table (unchecked) and see if you've seen the flop anywhere close to 50% of the time that you would have made a flush. Mine is 430 out of 856 times. Check the straights too. Are you saying I've been lucky for 35,000 hands?

[bottomset]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I make more money with straights and flushes than most people here because I play more hands (even against raises) that can make straights and flushes. I think this has helped my BB/100.

[/ QUOTE ]

No, playing style has nothing to do with it. You should have 200 of each premium hand (striaghts, flushes, fulls). You are running really really hot.

Krishan

[/ QUOTE ]

Sorry, but I have to call BS on this one. Of course playing style has something to do with how much you win on straights and flushes. Look at your Misc Stats table (unchecked) and see if you've seen the flop anywhere close to 50% of the time that you would have made a flush. Mine is 430 out of 856 times. Check the straights too. Are you saying I've been lucky for 35,000 hands?

[/ QUOTE ]

whats more likely is you are overplaying suited connectors(playing often when you should fold), and they are over-achieving right now(improving more than they should)

but you are running hot, and its quite possible to run hot for 35k

[grjr]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I make more money with straights and flushes than most people here because I play more hands (even against raises) that can make straights and flushes. I think this has helped my BB/100.

[/ QUOTE ]

No, playing style has nothing to do with it. You should have 200 of each premium hand (striaghts, flushes, fulls). You are running really really hot.

Krishan

[/ QUOTE ]

Sorry, but I have to call BS on this one. Of course playing style has something to do with how much you win on straights and flushes. Look at your Misc Stats table (unchecked) and see if you've seen the flop anywhere close to 50% of the time that you would have made a flush. Mine is 430 out of 856 times. Check the straights too. Are you saying I've been lucky for 35,000 hands?

[/ QUOTE ]

whats more likely is you are overplaying suited connectors(playing often when you should fold), and they are over-achieving right now(improving more than they should)

but you are running hot, and its quite possible to run hot for 35k

[/ QUOTE ]

It's also possible that suited connectors (and one-gaps) are worth more in raised pots than most people here give them credit for. I've argued this in other threads but don't wish to do it here though. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[krishanleong]

[ QUOTE ]
Are you saying I've been lucky for 35,000 hands?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes

Krishan

[SteveL91]

[ QUOTE ]


I've played a lot of 1/2 at the cryptos and did very well the first few months. In the last 2 months though it seems like I can't win a hand there. Bad beat after bad beat and it's really soured me on 1/2. So I run back to the safe harbor of Party .50/1.



[/ QUOTE ]

Oddly enough, my experience has been the opposite. I'm doing fairly well at 1/2, but I can't beat .50/1.00. I have nearly 40,000 .50/1.00 hands, and my win rate is a blistering .33 BB/100. I don't know if "my game" is just better suited for 1/2 and above, or I haven't really run all that well at .50/1.00 or what.

[KeysrSoze]

Neat. Heres a really small sample but I get to add a 100BB line straight up now as my bonus cleared. Glad I started on an up swing instead of down.

http://webpages.charter.net/fredaskp/Pics/Eurograph.jpg

[Eeegah]

Here's my first three weeks of playing poker for money.

Training wheels: .02/.04. Can you tell where I dumped WLLHE for SSHE?
http://www.ethelthefrog.net/sa/0204-progress.png

The Grind: .05/.10. I promised myself I'd stick with it until I turned my $50 on Stars into $100. It took over two weeks, but I think the experience I gathered from it was invaluable.
http://www.ethelthefrog.net/sa/0510-progress.png

Today: .25/.50. I started playing these Friday, and I like them oh so much more than nanos, and I actually seem to be doing better at them /images/graemlins/smile.gif
http://www.ethelthefrog.net/sa/2550-progress.png

My BB/Hr has been 0.05 at .02/.04, 2.63 at .05/.10 and 4.16 at .25/.50. It's really going to hurt when variance catches up to me at my current level /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[12ozLongneck]

Here's what's happened at $1/2 so far. I'm sure the wheels are going to come off of this thing at some point.

http://photos13.flickr.com/16381383_997fedeb42.jpg

[JKDStudent]

http://home.comcast.net/~KCPavon/graph1.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~KCPavon/graph2.jpg

All of the 1/2 hands have been at Crypto. I have very little idea what I'm doing wrong there, aside from winning a lot of small pots, but when I lose, it's a big one. Chart2 makes me sad.