DavidC
05-25-2005, 11:54 PM
Re: Replies:
I think it's best to reply to threads before you read any of the other replies. GrunchCan made a post about this in the microlimit holdem forum a few months ago and I think it's right on the money.
The disadvantage is that you get some duplication of effort as like 500 people say "raise preflop", but...
The advantages:
1) you'd be surprised how many "name brand" posters will come up with opposite conclusions about different parts of the hand. This conjecture and exposure to other ideas is a great learning tool.
2) You learn a lot by replying to a post before you see the other people's responses. It helps you order your thoughts better. You'd be surprised how often you'll miss a tiny concept here and there, at the same time as recommending the same action as another poster who fully understands the situation. Without actually catching yourself with these kinds of errors, you may be slowwer to fix them.
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Re: Posting hands:
I'm new here, but here's my "philosophy" on posting hands. This doesn't apply to the rant posts, but to hands that you post to learn something or to teach something.
Don't post results. Doing so could taint the readers' thinking about a hand, and thus damage the advice that you're given (even to the point of making it misinformation). If you're going to post results, post them later: a day or two or whatever. Basically once the discussion has stopped.
There are two reasons to post the results (after waiting the correct amount of time):
1) politeness if someone asks (but in due time)
2) learning how a typical opponent may play a hand
#2 is flawwed. Opponent-specific reads should be posted at the top of the hands, for future hands played against the same opponent, and "typical play" is learned over the course of maybe 10-50k hands, watching showdowns.
If you put in all your chips, truncate the hand history at that exact point. If you put all your chips in on the flop, don't show us what the turn and river cards are. If you put in all your chips on the flop and there's still an opponent left to act, DON'T TELL US HOW HE RESPONDS! Once you put your chips in you have only to wait for the hand to complete: you have no choices left, so there's nothing more to learn about how you should play that hand. No one will tell you to fold the turn if you're all in on the flop. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
If you're making a bluff, one in which if raised you will have to fold, if called you will have to check down unless you pair or even if you do pair, and one in which if everyone folds you have no more decisions to make (ahem, all of them), don't show us what happens when you put those chips in, because you've basically made your last difficult decision of the hand, and posting their action effectively posts the results, which screws up thinking.
Say you make a semi-bluff where you will have to push if raised or check through the turn if called and you miss, don't post the future action. The exception to this is if you don't know how to play future streets when you hit, and you'd like help on those too. In a situation where you've pot-committed yourself in a semi-bluff, don't bother posting everything after that point, because your chips are already in the pot, basically. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
Also, if you're truncating the hand history, please edit the stack sizes to remove information about who saw the showdown and who folded. Again, this gets closer to the results.
If you get into a situation where your hand plays itself, but there was a critical decision earlier in the hand, then truncate the hand at the critical decision to promote useful dialog.
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I'm not sure how well this request will be taken, but it needed to be said.
--Dave
(Whose name-brand is "Sunlight", not "Tide"... name brand, yes, but kinda second-rate. /images/graemlins/smile.gif )
I think it's best to reply to threads before you read any of the other replies. GrunchCan made a post about this in the microlimit holdem forum a few months ago and I think it's right on the money.
The disadvantage is that you get some duplication of effort as like 500 people say "raise preflop", but...
The advantages:
1) you'd be surprised how many "name brand" posters will come up with opposite conclusions about different parts of the hand. This conjecture and exposure to other ideas is a great learning tool.
2) You learn a lot by replying to a post before you see the other people's responses. It helps you order your thoughts better. You'd be surprised how often you'll miss a tiny concept here and there, at the same time as recommending the same action as another poster who fully understands the situation. Without actually catching yourself with these kinds of errors, you may be slowwer to fix them.
----
Re: Posting hands:
I'm new here, but here's my "philosophy" on posting hands. This doesn't apply to the rant posts, but to hands that you post to learn something or to teach something.
Don't post results. Doing so could taint the readers' thinking about a hand, and thus damage the advice that you're given (even to the point of making it misinformation). If you're going to post results, post them later: a day or two or whatever. Basically once the discussion has stopped.
There are two reasons to post the results (after waiting the correct amount of time):
1) politeness if someone asks (but in due time)
2) learning how a typical opponent may play a hand
#2 is flawwed. Opponent-specific reads should be posted at the top of the hands, for future hands played against the same opponent, and "typical play" is learned over the course of maybe 10-50k hands, watching showdowns.
If you put in all your chips, truncate the hand history at that exact point. If you put all your chips in on the flop, don't show us what the turn and river cards are. If you put in all your chips on the flop and there's still an opponent left to act, DON'T TELL US HOW HE RESPONDS! Once you put your chips in you have only to wait for the hand to complete: you have no choices left, so there's nothing more to learn about how you should play that hand. No one will tell you to fold the turn if you're all in on the flop. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
If you're making a bluff, one in which if raised you will have to fold, if called you will have to check down unless you pair or even if you do pair, and one in which if everyone folds you have no more decisions to make (ahem, all of them), don't show us what happens when you put those chips in, because you've basically made your last difficult decision of the hand, and posting their action effectively posts the results, which screws up thinking.
Say you make a semi-bluff where you will have to push if raised or check through the turn if called and you miss, don't post the future action. The exception to this is if you don't know how to play future streets when you hit, and you'd like help on those too. In a situation where you've pot-committed yourself in a semi-bluff, don't bother posting everything after that point, because your chips are already in the pot, basically. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
Also, if you're truncating the hand history, please edit the stack sizes to remove information about who saw the showdown and who folded. Again, this gets closer to the results.
If you get into a situation where your hand plays itself, but there was a critical decision earlier in the hand, then truncate the hand at the critical decision to promote useful dialog.
--
I'm not sure how well this request will be taken, but it needed to be said.
--Dave
(Whose name-brand is "Sunlight", not "Tide"... name brand, yes, but kinda second-rate. /images/graemlins/smile.gif )