Party Skins NL Challenge? $25 NL -> $1000 NL

[dtbog]

Hey all -

So here's my idea. (No, it's not original, I've seen threads like this all over 2+2 lately.. so I'm a poser. whatever.)

I'm going to start with $100, which happens to be four buy-ins at NL $25. I'll play $25 NL until I have four buy-ins at the next level, which happens to be NL $50. And so on.

My goal, of course, is to play $1000 NL and get to $4k in the process.

It'll be interesting when I get to $600 NL, because I've never played that high and I don't even know what the game is like...

.. but anyway, wish me luck.

My friend Mike is in for $1... so if I do get to $4k, he gets $40. Not bad.

I'll post updates, if anyone cares.

-dB

[Malachii]

Awesome. Good luck to you. If you're successful, it would be an inspiration to us all.

[Simplistic]

short-buys for one with 50 bucks and i've ran up 200 @ 200NL to 1.1k, I think i'm running on fire.

this is all with about 15-20 hours of two-tabling

[dtbog]

... so I'm 4-tabling 25 NL and my router disconnects itself... oops.

I wasn't really playing any hands (I'd just made a preflop raise at one, but that's about it)... but now PT won't be 100% accurate.. Oh well.

Up $2. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

-dB

[dtbog]

Since when is NL $25 a grind?

I can't get anyone to put money in the pot after the flop comes out... are these tables rock-tight all of the sudden?

-dB

[Publos Nemesis]

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Since when is NL $25 a grind?

I can't get anyone to put money in the pot after the flop comes out... are these tables rock-tight all of the sudden?

-dB

[/ QUOTE ]

Are you playing the same tables as me? I am up $100 in 4 hours 4-tabling the $25s. I mean, all I do is nut peddle, but I will take a stack an hour as a win rate. Seriously, just calm down.

[Chiron]

If you make it to 1000nl, it won't be without some trouble. Your risk of ruin with 4 buyins, especially at upper levels where you are inexperienced, is just ridiculous. At what point do you plan on dropping back down a level? When you lose two buyins?

Best of luck, and may Lady Variance be with you.

[Izenra]

When I began to play, I did exatly like you, and I reach NL100 in 2 week.

I got lucky not to bust out though.

[dtbog]

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If you make it to 1000nl, it won't be without some trouble. Your risk of ruin with 4 buyins, especially at upper levels where you are inexperienced, is just ridiculous. At what point do you plan on dropping back down a level? When you lose two buyins?

[/ QUOTE ]

Of course.. ROR is through the roof. Just trying to have a little fun and see where I end up.

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Best of luck, and may Lady Variance be with you.

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ty, I'll need it. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

-dB

[dtbog]

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Are you playing the same tables as me?

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Probably not! There are so many...

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I am up $100 in 4 hours 4-tabling the $25s. I mean, all I do is nut peddle, but I will take a stack an hour as a win rate.

[/ QUOTE ]

Mmhmm..

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Seriously, just calm down.

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Mmkk...

[edge]

I get stomped at the 25 tables. My winrate is something like -80 BB/100 over 400 hands.

This sounds like fun. I hope you don't really care about wasting a lot of time, since you'll probably lose it all once you reach 5/10, but maybe it's good experience. Good idea to break out of the grind anyway, even if you won't make anything out of it.

I think it would be a better idea to just start at whatever level you normally play, and invest four buy-ins. If you usually play 1/2, it seems like a big waste of time to go back and play .10/.25, and you won't learn anything either.

[theredpill5]

I like the idea. Go for it.

Yeah, the $25 NL tables really suck this week. My god, I've never seen them this bad. I made money today and am up over last 2 days but god damn. I'm definitely not doing 40 BB/100 . More like 10 BB /100 or something. It's the BONUSMAY code. I think when you get AA or KK, just limp in with it since no one will call a raise. Provided you are on a table with VPIP at 20 % .

[jkkkk]

[ QUOTE ]
Hey all -


My goal, of course, is to play $1000 NL and get to $4k in the process.


[/ QUOTE ]

wow thats gonna take you some time, and yes, the $25NL is tight as hell lately.

[dtbog]

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the $25NL is tight as hell lately.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't understand! I'll see a guy play nothing for 5 orbits at 6max, and then suddenly wake up and call down my AK with his A6, all-in on the turn with an ace on the board (of course we split the pot on the river, but that's life)

-dB

[swolfe]

so, uh...you're playing 4 tables with a 4 buy-in bankroll? i guess you won't top off if you lose a pot?

also, your $4K goal...i guess that means you're just trying to get to $1K with 4 buy-ins, but you don't have any goals to actually win there (as part of the challenge)?

[dtbog]

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so, uh...you're playing 4 tables with a 4 buy-in bankroll? i guess you won't top off if you lose a pot?

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm only planning to 4-table NL25 and NL50. Everything else.. well, I have a "bankroll", and I'll try to "manage" it whichever way seems the most profitable. Probably 2-tabling.

[ QUOTE ]
also, your $4K goal...i guess that means you're just trying to get to $1K with 4 buy-ins, but you don't have any goals to actually win there (as part of the challenge)?

[/ QUOTE ]

If I make it, I'll take 2k out, and play 2 buy-ins at NL 1k to see what happens.

EDIT: I'll take 2k out, pay my trusty backer $40, and THEN play 2 buy-ins at NL 1k.

-dB

[Publos Nemesis]

[ QUOTE ]
I like the idea. Go for it.

Yeah, the $25 NL tables really suck this week. My god, I've never seen them this bad. I made money today and am up over last 2 days but god damn. I'm definitely not doing 40 BB/100 . More like 10 BB /100 or something .

[/ QUOTE ]

TRP, 40 BB / 100 is unsustainable at any level. I am crushing the six max $25s for over 22 BB / 100 over 10,000 hands, and am perfectly happy to get my $20 / hour. The key is to keep switching tables and find the fish who play too many hands. This week I am up $540 (excluding $250 in bonus) and have hardly played, so I don't think things have changed that much.

[Falker11]

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EDIT: I'll take 2k out, pay my trusty backer $40, and THEN play 2 buy-ins at NL 1k.



[/ QUOTE ]

Damn Straight

Falker

[wbrumfiel]

I realize 4 buyins might not be enough but if someone wanted to do this challenge with just a little less ROR what do you think it should be? I mean if I bump that to 6 or 8 would my ROR go down a lot more or would I still be in quite a bit of trouble. Id like to try something like this.

[dtbog]

http://img31.echo.cx/img31/843/675hands259xr.png

Anything noteworthy?

-dB

[TheWorstPlayer]

You're LAGtastic?

[dtbog]

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You're LAGtastic?

[/ QUOTE ]

Heheh.. well, I'm usually LAGish anyway, but before this challenge I'd basically moved up to $200max, so it's hard to adjust /images/graemlins/wink.gif

-dB

[dtbog]

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Lunger_16: These hands seem much more realistic than pokerstars


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[Falker11]

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Lunger_16: These hands seem much more realistic than pokerstars


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[/ QUOTE ]

I don't know what you are talking about, PartyPoker is rigged

Falker

[dtbog]

http://img11.echo.cx/img11/5691/25done6jf.png

NL $25 done. On to the next.

-dB

[jkkkk]

lol in 800 hands, nice!

go dtbog!

i might try this challenge myself, but i'm in the middle of trying to acquire / setup stuff for 8-tabling.

maybe sometime next week.

keep going /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[dtbog]

.... but luckily my overpair held up against his flush draw.

Clearly abuse.. we saw he was on a FD and he came back two seconds after the hand.

How often does this happen on Party?

-dB

[TheWorstPlayer]

Often. Report it. They are pretty good about checking his history and removing his disc protect.

[dtbog]

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Often. Report it.

[/ QUOTE ]

Done! Scum...

-dB

[ghostface]

Using disconnect protect in NL25 is an awesome idea. There is so much money on the line and you are often against world class opponents, so it becomes one of the necessary tools for every succesful player. I do it at least 10 times daily.

[TheWorstPlayer]

[ QUOTE ]
Using disconnect protect in NL25 is an awesome idea. There is so much money on the line and you are often against world class opponents, so it becomes one of the necessary tools for every succesful player. I do it at least 10 times daily.

[/ QUOTE ]
I just reported you and pointed them to this post as evidence. Your screen name is BobboFitos, right?

[ghostface]

Damnit...!

One example from today.

I get AA in the BB and everyone limps to me. I raise to 3 (50NL 6max) and everyone fold to button who makes it 7 or whatever a min reraise would be. I min rereraise and he pushes.

Perfect time for disconnect protect. There are plenty of hand he could have that will beat you (i.e. Q5s, 74o, 72o come to mind).

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Using disconnect protect in NL25 is an awesome idea. There is so much money on the line and you are often against world class opponents, so it becomes one of the necessary tools for every succesful player. I do it at least 10 times daily.

[/ QUOTE ]
I just reported you and pointed them to this post as evidence. Your screen name is BobboFitos, right?

[/ QUOTE ]

LOLOL

[galahad_187]

jesus your guyses winrates 4 tabling 25nl 6 max lower my self esteem =P i was all happy to be making 6-8 bb/100 hands while 4 tabling. now i 6 table, next week i'll 8 table. so while my overall earnings are ok. yeesh, i'd give my left nut for 12 bb/100 =p

[TheWorstPlayer]

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jesus your guyses winrates 4 tabling 25nl 6 max lower my self esteem =P i was all happy to be making 6-8 bb/100 hands while 4 tabling. now i 6 table, next week i'll 8 table. so while my overall earnings are ok. yeesh, i'd give my left nut for 12 bb/100 =p

[/ QUOTE ]
Dude. It was less than 1000 hands. I'm sure you're doing fine. His win rate isn't 30BB/100 either.

[Lawrence Ng]

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Dude. It was less than 1000 hands. I'm sure you're doing fine. His win rate isn't 30BB/100 either.

[/ QUOTE ]

Agreed. You hit that back run where you get nailed on the crap end of the stick with set over set or big flush over another big flush and your stack can drop very fast. That 30 BB/100 will easily drop to 2 BB/100.

Lawrence

[dtbog]

... well, you won't be envious of my 50 NL rate.

I was cruisin' up about 100 at NL 50 (mostly on one table)... basically I won't even explain how stupid this was, but I ended up pushing over the top of a $15 stack and getting called by the only other big stack at the table (who I, for some reason, thought wasn't even in the hand).

His KK beat my AK. Back to even at NL 50.

(Cleared my $150 bonus though..)

-dB

[PinkSteel]

Your backer's going to file malpractice for his $1 back....

[dtbog]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 ($41.2)
UTG+2 ($66.05)
MP1 ($60.85)
MP2 ($31.45)
MP3 ($67.8)
CO ($41.25)
Button ($51.25)
Hero ($49)
BB ($48.5)
UTG ($53.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2.50) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($2.50) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2.4</font>.

Final Pot: $4.90

ninjaJOda: who's got it?
Hero shows [ 9d, Jh ] Royal Flush.
Hero wins $4.8 from the main pot with Royal Flush.

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
Your backer's going to file malpractice for his $1 back....

[/ QUOTE ]

heheheh, he still owes me $16.20 for backing me in a Super Monday that ended in about 5 hands.

-dB

[dtbog]

Dear Dave,

We appreciate you taking the time to report situations of alleged
disconnect protection abuse at PartyPoker.com.

Starting with the hand X that you sent to us, we performed an
investigation that would allow us to examine thoroughly the account in
question; 'o_sarracin'.

We have looked into the players records and collected all previous
hands in which this player used the protection. Our goal was to look for a
pattern where the player usually disconnects in key moments.

Some of the parameters we use when investigating possible protection
abuse:

- The playerýs cards at the time of disconnection.
- The playerýs previous action (whether he was betting/raising) and
also the actions of the other players at the time of disconnection.
- The benefit obtained by a player disconnecting
- The timing of disconnection
- A players pattern of disconnections
- Previous allegations made by other players and/or the system

Using the information listed above we have investigated the history of
the player thoroughly and have found that not only was the hand you
reported suspicious but this player has shown a pattern of suspicious
disconnects in the past. Based on this information we have taken away the
disconnect protection privilege for this player. In the event he is
disconnected in the future his hand will be folded. We have sent an
email to the player informing him of the investigation.

We do understand and respect your concern, and agree with the fact that
the disconnection in this hand may have put you in a disadvantageous
position.

Although certain hands look suspicious the fact is that we could never
say for sure that a player has disconnected on purpose. We do have
records of all players disconnects and details of the hands in which they
occur and use this information to make a fair and accurate
determination of the players motives. If we find a pattern suggesting that a
certain player usually disconnects in key moments of the games where a
bet/raise must be called or folded, then we act accordingly by removing that
players disconnect protection.

Please keep in mind that a player can and will be legitimately
disconnected at times that would look suspicious. If a player demonstrates a
pattern of doing this we will remove his protection, even if that player
was genuinely experiencing connectivity problems.
Removing a players disconnect protection does not necessarily assume
that player was maliciously using the system set up to protect honest
players. The protection is a privilege, and we grant it to players that
demonstrate a track record of non-suspicious play.

It is because of the above listed reasons that we cannot, in this case,
take any money won away from the player in question and refund players
that might have been affected.

We thank you for taking the time to report your suspicions. Keeping
the games honest is our highest priority. If you need any clarifications
or have any questions or concerns please feel free to contact us. We
will be more than happy to assist you.

Contact us anytime, we are available around the clock to assist you
with your account related questions and suggestions.

Sincerely,

Chaitanya
Investigations Team
alerts@PartyPoker.com

[dtbog]

... well, I lost two all-ins with the nuts on the turn. Coupled with my little all-in oops earlier, I'm back just below $100, and back to NL $25.

(Someone said something about variance? /images/graemlins/wink.gif)

Still goin'.

-dB

[dtbog]

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[dtbog]

http://img190.echo.cx/img190/8933/summary5pmthu5we.png

Look at the circled red number for the real winner.

EDIT: Positive BB/100 for a negative win amount? That's a little bizarre.. not photoshopping, I'm looking at it in PT.

-dB

[TheWorstPlayer]

[ QUOTE ]
EDIT: Positive BB/100 for a negative win amount? That's a little bizarre.. not photoshopping, I'm looking at it in PT.

[/ QUOTE ]
It's because of their retarded way of calculating it. Well, not really retarded. It sorta makes sense. But it is unintuitive. They don't care about the stakes. Which actually makes sense now that I think about it. So you ran at 30BB/100 for 540 hands. Then at 11BB/100 for 330 hands. Then at 6BB/100 for 240 hands. Then at -134BB/100 but only for 100 hands. So they just take a hand-weighted average and get to 7BB/100. But the downswing was at double the stakes, so you end up with a net loss in dollar terms. It is unintuitive, but when you think about it it actually makes sense. Over the entire period, in terms of BB/100 you WERE a winner. You just took your dive at the wrong stakes.

[Falker11]

Yeah, remind me why the hell im backing you.

&lt;&gt;&lt;

Falker

[dtbog]

Back to +$50 at NL 25, done for the night.

I'll be away for a couple of days, so this thread will temporarily die and you'll all think I quit, but I'll be back. =)

-dB

[theredpill5]

Haven't read all the posts in this thread but I'm rooting for you dtbog. I hope you make it to at least $500 buy-in NL .

[BobboFitos]

[ QUOTE ]
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Using disconnect protect in NL25 is an awesome idea. There is so much money on the line and you are often against world class opponents, so it becomes one of the necessary tools for every succesful player. I do it at least 10 times daily.

[/ QUOTE ]
I just reported you and pointed them to this post as evidence. Your screen name is BobboFitos, right?

[/ QUOTE ]

hey!!! How did I get tied up in this!!! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[TheWorstPlayer]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
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Using disconnect protect in NL25 is an awesome idea. There is so much money on the line and you are often against world class opponents, so it becomes one of the necessary tools for every succesful player. I do it at least 10 times daily.

[/ QUOTE ]
I just reported you and pointed them to this post as evidence. Your screen name is BobboFitos, right?

[/ QUOTE ]

hey!!! How did I get tied up in this!!! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
Don't worry. I know that's not your screen name.

[captZEEbo1]

"My friend Mike is in for $1... so if I do get to $4k, he gets $40. Not bad."

not sure if anyone commented on this, but that is ABSURDLY -ev for you. That is, assuming you are a winning player.

[dtbog]

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not sure if anyone commented on this, but that is ABSURDLY -ev for you. That is, assuming you are a winning player.

[/ QUOTE ]

-EV, of course -- but that $1 provided me the financial security that I needed to undertake the challenge!

/images/graemlins/wink.gif

-dB

[dtbog]

http://img153.echo.cx/img153/1078/25doneagain5zh.png

Onward and upward.

-dB

[jkkkk]

taking a shot at NL50 again?

GL dude, i'm about somewhere on there.

[dtbog]

winrate nothing to brag about, but remember that extra $100 loss that shouldn't be there /images/graemlins/wink.gif

http://img266.echo.cx/img266/7256/50done9sj.png

onward and upward!

-dB

[Falker11]

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onward and upward!


[/ QUOTE ]

At what point would you consider yourself out of the kiddie pool?

-Falker

[dtbog]

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At what point would you consider yourself out of the kiddie pool?

-Falker

[/ QUOTE ]

When ZeeJustin watches one of my plays at NL $1k and posts a joke thread about it in Mid-High /images/graemlins/wink.gif

-dB

[Maulik]

i'd be interested to see a HH w/ 100+ hands, if possible, please PM me.

holla

[theredpill5]

So where are you at now, dtbog ?

[dtbog]

http://img44.echo.cx/img44/1206/100barely9sy.png

Well, here's where I am now -- unfortunately I actually have a job now (/images/graemlins/confused.gif), so I'm not just wasting time between semesters anymore. This means waking up at 7 AM, and much less poker.

-dB

[TomCollins]

I tried something similar when working on my 6 max game, but failed miserably. I would buy in for $25 at the NL $25, and reload constantly. I would stop when I had $25 profit. I would then move to NL $50, reload constantly, until I got to $50 profit.

These games were way below my bankroll, and after getting bored, I ended up pushing every hand preflop for a while. I think I managed to lose $200 at NL 25 in about 20 minutes. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

[grouchie]

with party adding the 2000NL are you going to try to reach that level now? or are you still just going to 1000NL?

just curious.

[dtbog]

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with party adding the 2000NL are you going to try to reach that level now? or are you still just going to 1000NL?

just curious.

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You know, I was just thinking about that -- I think I have to be a man and go for it.

Haven't played much lately, I've been busy -- 15% of the way to NL 200 =P

-dB

[meow_meow]

The way your initial challenge was structured, you actually didn't need to play any 1000NL - you would just move up to 1000NL when you reach 4k playing 600NL - then it's over. Now, maybe you can play to 8k on the 1000NL before "moving up" to 2000NL.

Seriously though, if you make it that far you should do a reality check and go back to 200 or 400NL, an 8k bankroll is pretty safe at those levels, but a 5 buy-in roll is bound to get crushed sooner or later.

[grouchie]

I was just about to start doing this as well and Join in in your little challenge, but it appears Neteller is down and I can't deposit.

Now i'm like all sad and stuff

[dtbog]

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I was just about to start doing this as well and Join in in your little challenge

[/ QUOTE ]

C'mon in... I'll race ya! =)

-dB

[dtbog]

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Seriously though, if you make it that far you should do a reality check and go back to 200 or 400NL, an 8k bankroll is pretty safe at those levels, but a 5 buy-in roll is bound to get crushed sooner or later.

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Definitely true -- but I'm only in for $100 and I'm looking for a bit of gamb00l. I'm playing NL$200/NL$400 now, and don't particularly "need" more roll for those games -- but this is a CHALLENGE! Get in the SPIRIT! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

-dB

[grouchie]

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C'mon in... I'll race ya! =)

-dB

[/ QUOTE ]

Ok, Consider the race officially "on."
But, I will admit right here and now that there are two reasons you will easily beat me; 1, you allready have a head start and are 2 levels ahead (I thought you said you were 20% to the 200NL) and 2, you normally play at stakes higher than I do which I assume to mean you are a better player than I and that you are more familiar with how to play higher stakes (i've never played online past 50NL).

But, I won't back down. I'm looking for the poker gods to smile upon me and give me an unbelievable hot run of cards and bad opponents.

Like this one.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB ($21.9)
BB ($30.49)
UTG ($18.35)
UTG+1 ($24.5)
UTG+2 ($32.05)
MP1 :#A500AF(Idiot)/ ($18.19)
MP2 ($29.25)
MP3 ($22.8)
CO ($12.05)
Hero ($43.95)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.1. UTG posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 :#A500AF(Idiot)/ raises to $0.5</font>, MP2 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $0.25, UTG calls $0.25, UTG+2 calls $0.25.

Flop: ($3.10) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Idiot bets $1</font>, MP2 folds, Hero calls $1, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+2 calls $1.

Turn: ($6.10) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Idiot bets $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, UTG+2 folds, Idiot calls $8.

River: ($26.10) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Idiot calls $6.69 (All-In), Hero calls $6.69.

Final Pot: $39.48

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Idiot has Ad Qd (high card, ace).
Hero has 7c 6c (straight, nine high).
Outcome: Hero wins $39.48. </font>

[TheWorstPlayer]

I thought I could represent JT on the river. Nice call.

[xorbie]

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I thought I could represent JT on the river. Nice call.

[/ QUOTE ]

NH.

[grouchie]

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I thought I could represent JT on the river. Nice call.

[/ QUOTE ]

If that was really you, i'd first like to say I love the name.

2nd, I just didn't feel you were calling my re-raise with a gutshot. It also helps that I was going to make the bet to put you all in on the river anyways.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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i'd first like to say I love the name.

[/ QUOTE ]
It's so nice to be appreciated.

[dtbog]

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But, I will admit right here and now that there are two reasons you will easily beat me

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, even if I beat you on # of hands, you'll beat me in real-time... I'm too damn busy now to play any reasonable number of hands in any given day! Hopefully my need for sleep will subside, or something /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Good luck with the challenge!

-dB

[amoeba]

probably already posted but max is now 2000.

[dtbog]

Yep.. modifications are underway /images/graemlins/smile.gif

-dB

[Falker11]

http://img151.echo.cx/img151/3643/25falker8ow.png

Well I'm done with nl 25 here are my Poker office Stats. Unfortunatly PO sucks and doesnt have a BB/100 stat for NL??? so i calcutated it manually:

113*4/220 = 2.05454545454*100 = 205.45BB/100hands

Think this is sustainable???

Take your head start dtbog, with a win rate like this I'll catch you in no time.

Falker

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]


Unfortunatly PO sucks and doesnt have a BB/100 stat for NL??? so i calcutated it manually:

113*4/220 = 2.05454545454*100 = 205.45BB/100hands


[/ QUOTE ]

only 102.25 PTbb/100!!

[ QUOTE ]
Think this is sustainable???

[/ QUOTE ]

Of course.

[ QUOTE ]
Take your head start dtbog, with a win rate like this I'll catch you in no time.

Falker

[/ QUOTE ]

See you at 2k. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

-dB

[grouchie]

Holy Hot Damn Batman
220 hands.

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
Holy Hot Damn Batman
220 hands.

[/ QUOTE ]

I know! and I'm backing this guy for $1!

/images/graemlins/wink.gif

-dB

[Falker11]

[ QUOTE ]
Holy Hot Damn Batman
220 hands.

[/ QUOTE ]

It could have been 400% better at hand number 60 i was at +75, so i only need to make 25 more bucks and this hand happened.(hand converter couldnt handle it so i did my best:

#Game No : 2135708202
***** Hand History for Game 2135708202 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, May 31, 20:24:27 EDT 2005
Table Table 36917 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10

Seat 7: AFISH_FISHA ( $25.9 )

Seat 4: slohcin1485 ( $24.75 )

Seat 9: daven7297 ( $25.5 )

rottie88 posts small blind [$0.1].
gregnr posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AFISH_FISHA [ Qs 9s ]

slohcin1485 calls [$0.25].

AFISH_FISHA calls [$0.25].

daven7297 calls [$0.25].

gregnr checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7s, 6s, As ]
gregnr checks.
slohcin1485 bets [$1].
AFISH_FISHA calls [$1].
daven7297 raises [$3].
gregnr folds.
slohcin1485 raises [$6].
AFISH_FISHA is all-In [$24.65]
daven7297 is all-In [$22.25]
slohcin1485 is all-In [$17.5]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 7c ]
slohcin1485 shows [ Ts, Js ] a flush, ace high.
AFISH_FISHA shows [ Qs, 9s ] a flush, ace high.
daven7297 shows [ 7h, Ks ] a full house, Sevens full of sixes.
AFISH_FISHA wins $0.4 from side pot #2 with a flush, ace high.
daven7297 wins $1.5 from side pot #1 with a full house, Sevens full of sixes.
daven7297 wins $71.6 from the main pot with a full house, Sevens full of sixes.

So after that hand im at +50 instead of +125 after 60 hands
-falker

[dtbog]

... make it 3!

Still up at NL 100, barely now.

-dB

[Falker11]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]


Unfortunatly PO sucks and doesnt have a BB/100 stat for NL??? so i calcutated it manually:

113*4/220 = 2.05454545454*100 = 205.45BB/100hands


[/ QUOTE ]

only 102.25 PTbb/100!!


[/ QUOTE ]

What a meaningless stat for NL. But this has been argued enough on 2+2 so I'm not going to put up a fight.

Falker

Falker

[jkkkk]

Soon i'll be joining this thing, watch out mofo's /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[dtbog]

Hero raises to $4.

Friend on AIM: hand?
Hero on AIM: QQ

One call.

11/6 villain makes it $12.

Me: set value here we come
Friend: lol

Hero calls, MP calls.

Flop: Qh Jh 3d

Me: thar she blows

(stacked KK)

Back steadily in the + column.

-dB

[grouchie]

25NL looks to be a thing of the past.


Since my computer crashed, i can't remember the place where i used to host my images, so I had to find a new one quickly and can't seem to get it to display my images...
so you get a link instead.

NL25 PT Image (http://www.solisearch.net/ims/pic.php?u=145712M4gV&amp;i=89444)

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
25NL looks to be a thing of the past.

[/ QUOTE ]

w00t w00t! keep it up!

http://www.imageshack.us hosts my images..free, quick, easy.

-dB

[grouchie]

you da man, thanks

http://img101.echo.cx/img101/6140/nl257nk.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[jkkkk]

ok, i'm officially in, starting today, updates coming soon.. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
ok, i'm officially in, starting today, updates coming soon.. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

welcome and gl!

I'm too damn busy lately.. less than 400 hands at NL $100. Should have some time tonight.

-dB

[amoeba]

why not, I'll come in too.

100s have been break even lately for me.

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
why not, I'll come in too.

[/ QUOTE ]

fuck yeah. /images/graemlins/smile.gif welcome, gl, keep flopping sets!

-dB

[dtbog]

... I just lost to quads on BACK TO BACK HANDS

(and yes I did have the straight, and yes he did hit it on the river, and yes we were once again all-in on the turn...)

Still treading water over here...

-dB

[wtfsvi]

Okok, stop naging, I'll join ya' /images/graemlins/grin.gif

I'm running so god damn hot now it's embarassing. You are really in trouble this time sirs.

The challenge is on, and I'm hereby opening four NL$25 tables. I really hope I can finish those off quickly. I hate NL$25 /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
Okok, stop naging, I'll join ya' /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Welcome! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[ QUOTE ]
I'm running so god damn hot now it's embarassing. You are really in trouble this time sirs.

[/ QUOTE ]

it's on! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

-dB

[PokerFink]

Goodluck dtbog. Cool idea, I would try it, except I cannot take NL25 seriously to save my life.

Anyways, we have to play some 2/5 at the stone this summer. You going at all?

[/hijack]

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
Goodluck dtbog. Cool idea, I would try it, except I cannot take NL25 seriously to save my life.

[/ QUOTE ]

You know, I can't either, but I somehow did for this challenge and I sort of impressed myself. Part of the idea for me with this whole thing was discipline -- don't just push every flush draw because it's NL $25, don't play any two suited cards because it's only a quarter, etc etc. While this seems trivial with respect to playing NL $25, it's obviously a poker lesson that applies to all facets of the game.

[ QUOTE ]
Anyways, we have to play some 2/5 at the stone this summer. You going at all?

[/ QUOTE ]

Let me know when you're going up. I'll get there somehow. =)

I work 9-5 during the week, and I would be at TS for at least a few hours (at most the whole weekend =P) each weekend if my old car hadn't died right before the summer started.

I'll most likely be up there next Saturday (the 11th?)... can you make it?

-dB

[wtfsvi]

Bit of a cold streak there at $25. Only 80PTBB/100 /images/graemlins/mad.gif. I'll do better next time, I promise.

http://img135.echo.cx/img135/8587/nl251zl.png (http://www.imageshack.us)

I rock /images/graemlins/laugh.gif On to $50 we go.

[PokerFink]

[ QUOTE ]

I'll most likely be up there next Saturday (the 11th?)... can you make it?

[/ QUOTE ]

Sadly, no. I'm doing catering, so I work on the weekends. When I get up there, which I will eventually, it will be for 3-5 nights during the week.

There is some chance that I will take off a weekend and go, but I dobut it.

[wtfsvi]

As stated before I started(EDIT: joined) the challenge, I'm running so good it's embarassing. Anyway:

http://img57.echo.cx/img57/1196/nl503az.png (http://www.imageshack.us)

NL$100 will probably have to wait until after the weekend. (I have stuff to do /images/graemlins/cool.gif) This is quite much fun though, so I'll try making some time.

[grouchie]

congrats and that's sick man.
I was running good until I went to 50NL
first night i was still doing allright, but then I decided to give it all back last night.

Still at 50NL but just barely.
I'm probably the only here who will be taking backward steps so early lol.

[theredpill6]

[ QUOTE ]

You know, I can't either, but I somehow did for this challenge and I sort of impressed myself.

[/ QUOTE ]

suck me dude. I was nice to you earlier in this thread but you come over to my thread and diss me because I was trying to maximize my set value.

I hope you lose your bankroll tomorrow, dude. Thanks for being a dick.

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm probably the only here who will be taking backward steps so early lol.

[/ QUOTE ]

I did it.. and proud of it! lol

and if my straights and flushes don't stop getting boated, I'll be back to 50 soon..

-dB

[theredpill6]

shut up

[meow_meow]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

You know, I can't either, but I somehow did for this challenge and I sort of impressed myself.

[/ QUOTE ]

suck me dude. I was nice to you earlier in this thread but you come over to my thread and diss me because I was trying to maximize my set value.

I hope you lose your bankroll tomorrow, dude. Thanks for being a dick.

[/ QUOTE ]

someone ban this moron quick

[theredpill6]

[ QUOTE ]
someone ban this moron quick

[/ QUOTE ]
No

[MrFelony]

jesus redpill, got some sort of wild animal shoved up your arse or is it just the poker thats making you grumpy /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[klagett]

[ QUOTE ]
You are now ignoring this user. You will no longer see the body of any of their posts.

[/ QUOTE ]

[grouchie]

at what point do you step down?
when you lose enough that you only have 4 buy-ins at the level below it?

just curious.

[wtfsvi]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar på:</font><hr />
at what point do you step down?
when you lose enough that you only have 4 buy-ins at the level below it?

just curious.

[/ QUOTE ]
Yes, I'll do that if I have the disiplin. I'm not sure I will though, and it won't be all bad if I bust out at the NL$400 anyway. Less wasted time /images/graemlins/smirk.gif. That's at least what I'm going to say to myself when I consider if I should just keep playing the two remaining buy-ins.

[MrFelony]

just started out myself, not too hard halfway there, but i have [censored] i need to do today.

[Student Caine]

I have tried this a few times and here is what I have found:

1) $25 &amp; $50 are extremely easy. You just sit and wait for big hands and gobble up stacks. I honestly did not notice a huge difference between these two levels...I was able to apply the same strategy at each level and be successful.

2) $100 becomes a bit tougher, e.g., your nut flush will not stack the TPTK's nearly as often as it does at $25 or $50 /images/graemlins/tongue.gif Also, I found that the time of day that you play makes a huge difference. Play during the day is much tighter - play between 6PM-Midnight Pacific Time is much, much looser.

3) $200 becomes even tougher. I never had much success here. It always seemed that I would grind, grind, grind, and then take a really nasty beat to knock me back down...which brings me to the last item...

4) The biggest issue with level hopping like this is that the bad beats/misplays really, really hurt. If you lose a stack right it has the potential to throw you back an entire level. What would happen to me is I would get myself up to and $800 - $1000 bankroll, buy in to four $200 tables and then take some nasty beats/misplays and get thrown all the way back to $400 =/. It almost seemed that the variance ran well to get me to $200...but then when it went south it went south in a hurry.

Anyways, good luck to you....one really cool thing is that you get to see poker at many different levels of play. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[AceHiStation]

After winning small at the $100 tables in a short amount of time I stumbled onto the $400NL tables coming home from a bar with my $378 bankroll. In the past being a 25NL player and a 30+3SNG player I usally would drop 25-50 every time i played drunk so you would think this was a mistake. Oddly enough, I made one big bluff, which won me $150, I then got a set and won 400, and then picked up $200 playing scared with aces. Built me to a bit over $1k after 30 minutes of play, went to bed and woke up with a hangover and a newly built bankroll. So that was my challenge to move up in limits. Since then I haven't moved down from the 400NL rooms and I feel like I learn 10 times as much playing at higher limits. And I realize how lucky I was that I was able to build a bankroll after violating a huge bankroll 101 theory. The challenge is a great idea and I've enjoyed reading the entire post at work. Good luck and keep posting,
-Ace

[jkkkk]

http://www.jkk.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/2plus2.JPG

to be continued... probably start running the $50NL on sunday.

[dtbog]

Ahhh.. I love it.. I've been watching this guy for almost two hours and I know he'll call these bets....


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP3 ($99)
<font color="#C00000">CO ($589.5)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($192.75)</font>
SB ($111.7)
BB ($18)
UTG ($124.55)
UTG+1 ($124.65)
UTG+2 ($96.15)
MP1 ($99.5)
MP2 ($80.1)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, CO calls $6, Hero calls $6, SB (poster) calls $5.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($25) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $6</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $12</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $45</font>, SB folds, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $33.

Turn: ($121) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, Hero pushes, CO calls.

River: (~$403) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: ~$403
Results:
CO has As 9s (two pair, aces and nines).
Hero has 3s 3c (three of a kind, threes).
Outcome: Hero wins ~$403

[wtfsvi]

In large part because of the hand I'm including here though. The poker Gods should shoot me with some lightening or something, because I really didn't deserve to win that. (No discussion needed, I know I [censored] up /images/graemlins/tongue.gif.) My excuse: I had been awake for 40 hours straight. Shouldn't have been playing then of course, but I guess I was afraid to sleep away my hot run /images/graemlins/grin.gif

http://img242.echo.cx/img242/3906/nl1007vr.png (http://www.imageshack.us)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

I'm really not worried about button. He's onto my LAG-ing, and he will do this with any made hand. (Ranging from bottom pair to middle set. He's bad, but I don't know if he would slowplay a set here. Probably not.) That doesn't mean it shouldn't be a clear fold after UTG (semi-loose aggressive but not good) pushes of course.

<font color="#C00000">UTG ($97)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($281.68)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Button ($174.13)</font>
SB ($327.6)
BB ($98)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, Button calls $5, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($16.50) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises (all-in) to $92</font>, Hero calls $82, Button calls $62.

Turn: ($292.50) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $80</font>, Button calls (all-in) $77.13.

River: ($449.63) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

Final Pot: $449.63

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has Kc Qd (two pair, kings and threes).
Hero has Kd As (two pair, kings and threes).
Button has 9h Jh (two pair, jacks and threes).
Outcome: Hero wins $449.63. </font>

Looks like I didn't wait til after the weekend. Maybe I'll do some NL$200 tomorrow. My chances should be better on a sunday anyway. ($100 is where I normally play, I have less than 2000 hands on higher stakes.)

Running hot is great. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[dtbog]

http://img222.echo.cx/img222/2382/100done7lq.png

I usually like 6max but the cards were not friendly over there! (look at the won at SD%, if nothing else, lol)

wtfsvi -- starting on 200, maybe I'll pass you /images/graemlins/wink.gif

-dB

.. and yes the 7th "level" in my PT was "NL $0.10".. one of those bugs

[grouchie]

good going man
I'm on a slight pause as I clear the newest party bonus, but after that I'll be back grinding my way back up.

[wtfsvi]

Hey? Won $700? Oh, damn, that's right. We started with $100. That means I'm kinda cheating. Oh well. I'll just stop the $200's when my wins are at $1500 and hope I'm accepted /images/graemlins/smirk.gif.

I suspect this will be where the challenge stagnates anyway. But good luck to you. (I have quite some of it to hand out at the time.)

[dtbog]

http://img162.echo.cx/img162/8340/200mid9bb.png

Still goin'!

haha oops just realized my screen shot sucks.

So now is the PT challenge.. how much do you look at PT and can you name every single stat without looking back? lol

-dB

[dtbog]

http://img285.echo.cx/img285/3954/200end1vv.png

I almost finished 200NL today (was up to +750) but I couldn't quite clinch it.

Soon.

-dB

[wtfsvi]

This is just incredible.

http://img138.echo.cx/img138/2613/nl2000ye.png (http://www.imageshack.us)

Hand of choice:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button is loose passive/calling station, and man was that river card good.

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG ($175.45)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($323.3)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Button ($602.3)</font>
SB ($309.27)
BB ($261.57)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, Button calls $7, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($17) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, Button calls $12.

Turn: ($41) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $30</font>, Button calls $30.

River: ($101) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $274.3(all-in)</font>, Button instacalls $274.30.

Final Pot: $649.60

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ks 9s (full house, nines full of kings).
Button has Qc Js (flush, king high).
Outcome: Hero wins $649.60. </font>

EDIT: I would start wondering if I were you. (Not about the above mentioned hand, but about the fast level-climbing.) I'm not lying though. That would be very pathetic /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Yeah, I know I use the smileys too much /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[jkkkk]

not even 2000 hands and your up over $1500, i think your record is going to be a tough one to beat.

started the $50nl climb today, made little progress and got bored, will put more energy in during the week!

[dtbog]

Took me awhile to get over the hump, but it's done!

http://img198.echo.cx/img198/3804/200done8pg.png

-dB

[dtbog]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

BB ($581.4)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($423.5)</font>
UTG+1 ($400)
UTG+2 ($391.5)
MP1 ($988.8)
MP2 ($677)
MP3 ($465)
CO ($690.8)
<font color="#C00000">Button ($394)</font>
SB ($516.7)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $40</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $100</font>, Button calls $100, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $411.50 (All-In), MP1 folds, CO folds, Button calls $294 (All-In).

Flop: ($963.50) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Turn: ($963.50) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: ($963.50) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $963.50

Results:
Hero has Ah Ac (two pair, aces and threes).
Button has Qs Qc (full house, queens full of threes).
Outcome: Button wins $928. Hero wins $29.50.

[sourbeaver]

Wow that really hurts.

EDIT: That QQ guy is clueless, these guys exist at those levels ??

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
EDIT: That QQ guy is clueless, these guys exist at those levels ??

[/ QUOTE ]

Seriously -- I had no idea what to think about the call.

As you know, PP doesn't show hands until the river -- so when there was no K on the board, I just assumed that I was splitting the pot, or I'd beaten KK. Imagine my surprise...

But look at the PF action. I get RAISED, RERAISED, and push... do I have any other hand?

Wow.

-dB

[meow_meow]

[ QUOTE ]
Wow that really hurts.

EDIT: That QQ guy is clueless, these guys exist at those levels ??

[/ QUOTE ]

Check out this little jem from yesterday (200NL 6max):

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB ($201)
BB ($205.6)
UTG ($860.83)
MP ($125)
CO ($39.21)
Hero ($369)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, SB (poster) calls $7, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $30</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $22, SB calls $193 (All-In), UTG calls $830.83 (All-In), Hero folds.

Flop: ($1095.83) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Turn: ($1095.83) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: ($1095.83) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $1095.83

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has 5d 5h (two pair, sixes and fives).
UTG has Jh Ah (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: UTG wins $660.83. SB wins $432. </font>

[Blackjack]

Tough break... you know damn well you can't get involved there wirhout a stellar read though.

[Lawrence Ng]

[ QUOTE ]
Results:
Hero has Ah Ac (two pair, aces and threes).
Button has Qs Qc (full house, queens full of threes).
Outcome: Button wins $928. Hero wins $29.50.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's why this is called a challenge.

I'd hardly call it the worst beat of your life. You obviously haven't played NL long enough if you haven't seen AA cracked with another player calling your all-in pre-flop. Get use to it.

Lawrence

[Lawrence Ng]

[ QUOTE ]

Seriously -- I had no idea what to think about the call.

As you know, PP doesn't show hands until the river -- so when there was no K on the board, I just assumed that I was splitting the pot, or I'd beaten KK. Imagine my surprise...

But look at the PF action. I get RAISED, RERAISED, and push... do I have any other hand?

[/ QUOTE ]

Your very likely dominating him if he has any pocket pair, AK or AQ. You are at least a 4-1 favorite HU after both MP1 and cutoff folds unless he's ballsy enough to really call on the button with mid suited connectors which would actually have a higher chance of beating you post flop.

You caught the perfect hand against the perfect fish and got all the money in when you wanted to under the most favorable circumstances. You can ask for no more.

Suck up the bad beat, move on and put this guy on your buddy list. Pray that the same situation happens again and this time you both have much bigger stacks and he does the same thing. Chances are he won't be so lucky in catching that set again.

Lawrence

[dbitel]

Quick question....I want to join this challenge, but I don't know how to single out the PT stats just for this challenge and not earlier hands.

Help please!

[sourbeaver]

He probably meant in relation to his usual stakes, because a 1000$ pot doesn't come along every day /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[wtfsvi]

Make a new empty database and import into that when you're playing the challenge. That's what I'm doing anyway.

(It's not perfect, since I can't take advantage of old stats on players, but it's fine.)

I wonder how to make the two databases into one¨when the challenge is finished though. I would want that so I can boost my winrate /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
He probably meant in relation to his usual stakes, because a 1000$ pot doesn't come along every day /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

ty, sourbeaver -- that's exactly what I meant. I've played my share of 2/4 and 2/5 NL but never lost a pot that big where it's unambigious that I didn't make a mistake -- so yes, it's the biggest pot I've lost on a bad beat.

Lawrence, c'mon man -- it's a thread where I'm posting my progress on this challenge -- and I didn't exactly spam the forum with it.

I'm sorry if I bothered you, but yes, I've lost with an overpair before. I also am aware that 80/20 is not the worst beat in poker.

I have to turn this one back on you -- if you don't like my post, "get over it and move on". /images/graemlins/smile.gif

-dB

PS

[ QUOTE ]
You obviously haven't played NL long enough

[/ QUOTE ]

There's really no reason to call me out like that, but I'm not going to overreact.. peace, comrade?

[grouchie]

[ QUOTE ]


I wonder how to make the two databases into one¨when the challenge is finished though. I would want that so I can boost my winrate /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]


all you have to do is take your new (challenge) Database and export all of your hands to a random folder on your HD.
Then import all of those hands into your old Database.

To export all you have to do is open up Pokertracker and make sure that your database is open as well. Go to Utilities and chose "export hand histories to file"



Personally, I'm just using a different site to do the challenge. I made sure it had exactly 100 bucks and then based on checking my current "cash" status i'll know where i'm supposed to be. Of course, I also use Poker Tracker and it makes things easier because I can just look at the info from that specific account from the date that I started.

[grouchie]

Good luck if you do join the challenge.

I myself have just moved back up to the NL50 after recouping some of my losses.

I seem to be running great in the 25's, but can't seem to catch fire in the 50's like a few of the others.

[Lawrence Ng]

[ QUOTE ]
He probably meant in relation to his usual stakes, because a 1000$ pot doesn't come along every day

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah I know, but still..he should be praising the all-in call, not berating it. I'd gladly shove my half my bankroll with my AA vs. QQ anyday preflop. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Lawrence

[Lawrence Ng]

[ QUOTE ]

Lawrence, c'mon man -- it's a thread where I'm posting my progress on this challenge -- and I didn't exactly spam the forum with it.

I'm sorry if I bothered you, but yes, I've lost with an overpair before. I also am aware that 80/20 is not the worst beat in poker.

[/ QUOTE ]

Sorry about that, I woke up in a bad mood this morning after suffering similar beats like this the past two weeks on a constant basis. My apologies. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Lawrence

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
Sorry about that, I woke up in a bad mood this morning after suffering similar beats like this the past two weeks on a constant basis. My apologies. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

No sweat.. happens to all of us sometimes.

-dB

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
Tough break... you know damn well you can't get involved there wirhout a stellar read though.

[/ QUOTE ]

I know! *slaps self*.. next time.

-dB

[dtbog]

Not bad, especially considering that AA hand is in here

http://img294.echo.cx/img294/7279/400half7ff.png

-dB

[sourbeaver]

This is pretty damn good.

[wtfsvi]

Haha, I haven't even seen that movie. Does that imply I have the upper hand right now but will lose in the end or something? I'm such a non-geek /images/graemlins/grin.gif

I hate PL. Didn't see that damn P until myself in this semi-big pot. I hate it /images/graemlins/mad.gif

http://img26.echo.cx/img26/9482/nl400halveis0hg.png (http://www.imageshack.us)

Yeah, I still know I use the smileys too much /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
Haha, I haven't even seen that movie. Does that imply I have the upper hand right now but will lose in the end or something? I'm such a non-geek /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't even really know either... but you have about half the # of hands I have.. keep up the good work! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

-dB

[dtbog]

.. and with respect to the "father" reference... does anyone watch baseball?

Remember last year at the end of the season? Pedro called the Yankees his daddy?

Good times.

-dB

[wtfsvi]

I'm such a luckbox.

http://img56.echo.cx/img56/5678/nl4000qd.png (http://www.imageshack.us)

But I worry about the $600's. I didn't feel I outclassed my oponents in NL$400, and though I'm certain I'd have a positive winrate over time, I had to practise some serious table selection to feel comfortable.

Anyway, wish me luck. As if I need it /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[sourbeaver]

This has turned into an awesome post for my sake.

I've had one of my worst days today in terms of beats and "wtf cards", but this post has a very calming effect on me.

Thanks /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[sourbeaver]

Great results, keep it up /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[grouchie]

I just wanted to point out, for no reason at all, that your 5 hands played at pot limit resulted in a loss of 116 bucks.

Thank you, you can now pay attention to the other stats /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[wtfsvi]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar på:</font><hr />
I just wanted to point out, for no reason at all, that your 5 hands played at pot limit resulted in a loss of 116 bucks.

Thank you, you can now pay attention to the other stats /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
I'm a LAG, there are swings /images/graemlins/smile.gif The challenge illustrates that quite well I think, since it is one giant upswing.

Besides, I hate PL. PL makes me crazy and crazy people play very bad:

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB is vpip 25 and very aggressive postflop. He has only raised once preflop in almost 100 hands.

SB ($880.7)
BB ($630.5)
UTG ($81.9)
Hero ($400)
Button ($393.2)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $2. Hero posts a blind of $4.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $14</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $12, BB calls $10.

Flop: ($42) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $27</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $95</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $68.

Turn: ($232) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $125</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $357

[raisethatmofo]

[dtbog]

Well done!

I was planning on trying to finish NL $400 last night but I played live instead (I'll never turn down a ride to a live casino!)... and if I don't do it tonight, I'm busy for most of the weekend.

Keep it up! I'm worried about the $600 game too -- I hear it's full of nits.

-dB

[wtfsvi]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar på:</font><hr />
This thread needs to be locked and move to another thread because it is just too big.

Anyway, I'm currently playing .10/.25 NL and winning. Do you think I could do this challenge and win ?

How hard is $1/2 NL ? I was thinking more of playing the full tables, though but trying to be as selective as possible.

[/ QUOTE ]
$1/2 is quite tough, but I feel I can beat it. To put things in context, crushing the NL$100s my normal ball park. I can't beat the $100 full ring games though, far less the $400s. But that's just a matter of style probably. And I don't expect to be able to win $1600 at the NL$600, but I'll give it a try this weekend.

So basically my answer is: No, you probably can't win this challenge. You'd need quite some skill and a LOT of luck. But it's only $100, nothing wrong with giving it a shot /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[raisethatmofo]

[wtfsvi]

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I thought the challenge was challenging yourself ? Are you seeing who can make more or go the highest ?

[/ QUOTE ]
Ah, no, I see the challenge as challenging myself at least. To "win" the challenge would be to reach the goal. Which is having built the $100 to $4000, and trying out the $1000s.

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
Ah, no, I see the challenge as challenging myself at least. To "win" the challenge would be to reach the goal. Which is having built the $100 to $4000, and trying out the $1000s.

[/ QUOTE ]

Same here, but I want to beat wtfsvi in doing so /images/graemlins/smile.gif

(I don't think I have much of a chance in # of hands, though, at this point!)

-dB

[wtfsvi]

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Same here, but I want to beat wtfsvi in doing so /images/graemlins/smile.gif

(I don't think I have much of a chance in # of hands, though, at this point!)

[/ QUOTE ]

Sure, I want to beat you as well. But I actually doubt if any of us will make it. We probably will have to put in a lot of hands in the $600s at least, so beating me in # of hands shouldn't be impossible. I say it's all about who gets there first anyway /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[sourbeaver]

I'd love to jump in, but I'd probably vomit during every hand from 400NL on up /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[wtfsvi]

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I'd love to jump in, but I'd probably vomit during every hand from 400NL on up /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

We'd love to have you in here as well. And I think it would be good for you to get used to throwing more money around. I can't understand how you put up with the NL$25. Just think about the rake for example /images/graemlins/smile.gif And 8-tabling. That's stressing stuff man. I seem to sustain a 10PTBB winrate twotabling the NL$100 6maxes; should about equal your hourly rate? And on top of that it's actually fun sometimes, and not stressing as hell.

Oh well, who am I to tell you what to do /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Who's the person in the avatar anyway?

[buddha]

This is for 6max stats only... It seems common for you guys to have VPIP of 22-28 and PFR &gt;8. Do you guys play the same hands in all positions or are your numbers lower UG and higher on button to average ~25/12? Could you guys post your PT stats by position? Also could you guys outline your basic preflop stategy? What hands you play/raise by positon would be awesome.

Thank you. Good luck!

[mason55]

[ QUOTE ]
This is for 6max stats only... It seems common for you guys to have VPIP of 22-28 and PFR &gt;8. Do you guys play the same hands in all positions or are your numbers lower UG and higher on button to average ~25/12? Could you guys post your PT stats by position? Also could you guys outline your basic preflop stategy? What hands you play/raise by positon would be awesome.

Thank you. Good luck!

[/ QUOTE ]

Ignore number of hands cause I just started a new db but that's what my VP$IP by position looks like.

http://img273.echo.cx/img273/8545/pt9hy.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[sourbeaver]

Thanks for the encouraging words, I will give serious thought to it.

[ QUOTE ]

Who's the person in the avatar anyway?

[/ QUOTE ]

That's me on an AC beach. Pic quality sucks, meh.

[wtfsvi]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar på:</font><hr />
That's me on an AC beach. Pic quality sucks, meh.

[/ QUOTE ]
Wow, I didn't expect that. Are you a girl or just a long-haired good looking boy? Is that an insulting thing to ask? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[sourbeaver]

Maybe I'd have a shot if I tried full ring.
How many tables do you guys play for the challenge ?
Using something like GT or PV ?

[sourbeaver]

[ QUOTE ]

Are you a girl or just a long-haired good looking boy?

[/ QUOTE ]

I'll take that as a compliment lol /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[ QUOTE ]

Is that an insulting thing to ask? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Nah, looking at that pic, I might be confused too. And the crappy compression doesn't help either /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[wtfsvi]

I played four tables at $25 and $50, two tables at $100 and $200 and one table at $400. Wonder how many that means I'll play at the $1000 /images/graemlins/smile.gif Using PT and GT+.

I think 10max will be your best shot too.

[IcarusFalling]

GOOD LUCK ! ! .. i can not possibly imagine getting up to nl 1000 without busting out before then.. but it'll be a ride that's forsure /images/graemlins/laugh.gif.. you've actually inspired me to take $100 out of my bankroll and go for it since $100 is nothing to me now and have still to move up the stakes. the best of luck to you

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
you've actually inspired me to take $100 out of my bankroll and go for it since $100 is nothing to me now and have still to move up the stakes. the best of luck to you

[/ QUOTE ]

Sweet! That's what it's all about. Good luck!

-dB

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
Maybe I'd have a shot if I tried full ring.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd try full ring also if I were you -- I'm playing mostly full ring tables too. For me, that's mostly just because 6max tables are inherently higher in variance... and the nature of this challenge is playing with a short bankroll.

[ QUOTE ]
How many tables do you guys play for the challenge ?

[/ QUOTE ]

I played four for NL25 and NL50, three for NL100 and NL200, and two for NL 400.

[ QUOTE ]
Using something like GT or PV ?

[/ QUOTE ]

I use GT+ every so often, but I don't usually have it on.

-dB

[sourbeaver]

It's on. I'll keep you posted as others have.

[sourbeaver]

lol, I made a little stint at 25NL 6-max, and I just remembered I'm no good at lagging it up, meh /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I'll start right at 50NL full ring because I'm already playing 40 odd hours of 25NL a week and I don't see the point of starting there, it'll just feel like the usual /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[sourbeaver]

I am dangerous for my own self.
I just dropped 150$ at 50NL in 500 hands.
Ever get the feeling you're a donk ? /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[grouchie]

Right now, I can't beat the 50's to save my life.

Got out of the 25's without a problem, hit a downswing at the 50's and had to drop back down.

Once again, blew through NL25 and started losing some money at 50 again.

Part of it is my big hands just not holding up. Sets running into straights, etc...

NL25 1009 hands 40.51PTBB/100
NL50 1179 hands -9.39PTBB/100

that is where this challenge stands for me currently.

Won't play tonight as i'm going up to the casino for some fun donkfest 1/2 NL action.
Will play heavily this weekend.

[jkkkk]

Man i'm crawling, literally, through the NL50, hopefully finish this level by the end of today.

[jsnipes28]

Ive been playing poor undisciplined poker so i figured i would reread Sklansky, cash out the rest of my PP so that it reads $100 and join the challenge. I'm gonna hit the NL25's after lunch. Wish me luck.
-Snipes

[sourbeaver]

Tough.

If only I had big hands to get sucked out on .. I just spew it on stupid bluffs and donkin' /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[grouchie]

welcome to the challenge, may your luck be better than mine.

[jsnipes28]

NL 25 is a serious grind. I've played 648 hands and i'm only up to 125. I've suffered two pretty bad beats, otherwise i'd be at the next level. I had just beaten a guy out of a large pot and he was definetely on tilt and i get AhKh on the button. There's a min raise, this guy raises to $3 and i push all in, he calls with like 20 remaining with AcQd and catches a queen.
The other one i caught an ace on the flop and one of the blinds kept pushing, went all in on the turn with Ad8d and caught his two pair on the river. Hopefully i can come out on the right side of these soon and move on. I was trying to highlight my stats and paste them in here but it doesn't seem to be working. Anyways, ill keep on grinding.
-Snipes

[Allinlife]

To me, this challenge seems rather pointless, as you are giving up a lot of +EV due to shorterm variance and you'll really never find out if you are long term winner at certain stakes.

just move up the normal way folks.

[wtfsvi]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar på:</font><hr />
you'll really never find out if you are long term winner at certain stakes.

[/ QUOTE ]While the above is certainly true,


</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar på:</font><hr />
you are giving up a lot of +EV due to shorterm variance

[/ QUOTE ] /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
you are giving up a lot of +EV due to shorterm variance

[/ QUOTE ]

/images/graemlins/confused.gif /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[ QUOTE ]

just move up the normal way folks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Nah.

-dB

[jkkkk]

I am officially counting myself out of the running, just went on a massive downswing, infact the worst one i've ever been on.

gl guys.

[Tim H]

how many hands in a certain level would you need to "know" whether you move up?
1k? 5k? 10k? 50k? 100k?

[goodguy_1]

hey guys this is a pretty cool idea and a way for me to get back to playing some bigbet poker.

I assume that at any level we can play Full or 6MAX NLHE games and even PLHE.

Here are last nite's results. Hopefully I can finish up the $25 level and start the $50's tonite.

http://img165.echo.cx/img165/2401/nlchallenge10bn.png

[grouchie]

Everytime I've gotten up to the NL50 level this has happened to me at some point in time.

If it happens next time I get there I'll bow out of the challenge and let you all duke it out without me.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 :#A500AF(re-raiser)/ ($82.01)
MP2 ($91)
MP3 ($59.9)
CO ($3.71)
Hero ($34.5)
SB ($101.25)
BB ($49.25)
UTG :#A500AF(Raiser)/ ($94.3)
UTG+1 ($64.3)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.

(converter doesn't like Eurobet... so here is preflop)
Raiser raises to $1.00
Re-raiser raises to $2.00
I re-raise to $10.00 with KK
Re-Raiser goes all in and I call.

Flop: ($0.75) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(9 players)</font>

Turn: ($0.75) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(9 players)</font>

River: ($0.75) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(9 players)</font>

Final Pot: $0.75

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB doesn't show.
BB doesn't show.
Raiser doesn't show.
UTG+1 doesn't show.
re-raiser has Ts Td (straight, queen high).
MP2 doesn't show.
MP3 doesn't show.
CO doesn't show.
Hero has Kh Kd (one pair, kings).
Outcome: re-raiser wins $0.75. </font>

[Falker11]

[ QUOTE ]
how many hands in a certain level would you need to "know" whether you move up?
1k? 5k? 10k? 50k? 100k?

[/ QUOTE ]

There is no set number of hands u need to move up. You move up when u have 4 buy ins for the next level

Falker

[goodguy_1]

I just finished up the $50's after running crappy yesterday.

I think I can get up thru the $100's easily and maybe the $200's after that I'm reticent..I've never played higher than $200's with any
regularity but this is fun. I'm devoting 80% of my time to my daily regimen of $3-6
and $5-10 LHE Full/6MAX games so if I dont bust soon this will take time.
http://img80.echo.cx/img80/9087/s9df.png

http://img80.echo.cx/img80/5533/s8sl.png

[etizzle]

any updates? This is one of the few threads i've found interesting in the last couple days.

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
any updates? This is one of the few threads i've found interesting in the last couple days.

[/ QUOTE ]

Heheh, cool.

I was actually about to post this -- My update is that I hit a pretty bad run at the $400 game, and dropped down to 200 for a bit and nothing changed (we've all been there -- every set is against a straight, ace flops every KK, etc etc.. just standard 'running bad' stuff).

Running bad would not in itself be a reason to pause the challenge -- that sort of obstacle is inherent in such a risky setup (4 buy-ins per level as a bankroll!).

...however, my car died and I need a new one. Since I'm a poor college kid and I've spent all the money from other jobs on rent/food/bills, the only money I have is bankroll... and you can guess where this is going. (minus $1k which I need to keep to rebuild)

Sucks... now the real "challenge" is going to be starting over where I was 12 months ago, when days before I had a comfortable BR for 2/4 and 2/5 NL games. Oh well - builds character, I guess.

... so where's the challenge at? I left it at +$900 (cashed out $1k), so when I come back I'll be up $200 at the $200 max game. Maybe I'll just start it over? Who knows.

-dB

[Delphin]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]


I wonder how to make the two databases into one¨when the challenge is finished though. I would want that so I can boost my winrate /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]


all you have to do is take your new (challenge) Database and export all of your hands to a random folder on your HD.
Then import all of those hands into your old Database.

To export all you have to do is open up Pokertracker and make sure that your database is open as well. Go to Utilities and chose "export hand histories to file"



Personally, I'm just using a different site to do the challenge. I made sure it had exactly 100 bucks and then based on checking my current "cash" status i'll know where i'm supposed to be. Of course, I also use Poker Tracker and it makes things easier because I can just look at the info from that specific account from the date that I started.

[/ QUOTE ]

You can filter by date, ya know. Check out the last tab in PT.

[wtfsvi]

I haven't played a hand at NL$600 yet. I've scouted for tables, but I really don't feel like sitting down with 5 other aggressive and decent players with vpips ranging from 19% to 30%. I feel that the best I can hope for in those games is beating the rake. Even saying I can do that is probably flattering myself.

So the challenge stands on $2300 in a ridiculously low ammount of hands. I'll try again to find a fish or two this weekend, but I don't know.

I'm a sissy, I know /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[goodguy_1]

wtfsvi-congrats on doing so well I think that's wise to protect a very nice amount you've built up over the challenge if you really need the money! But since you obviously got game I think you should try and push yourself and follow thru on the Challenge.

You know you can always grind out $100 or $200 games .. I say go for it but I understand your reticence.

I'm up to the $100's I was up $275 in 300 hands 2 days ago and then almost busted out the next day. I was stuck $350 at this level $50 from busting out-mostly 6MAX where I stacked off 3 times with the best of it pre-flop and lost 3 $200-$300 pots. I'm now stuck $85 after about 1600 hands into the $100's. I didnt expect any resistance until the $200's...oops.

[wtfsvi]

Thanks for the encouraging words. We'll see if I have the balls (and if I manage to stay sober) when friday/saturday night comes around. I don't "really need" the money, but it would still be a shame to throw them away at -EV gambles /images/graemlins/smile.gif Anyway, we'll see.

</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar på:</font><hr />
I stacked off 3 times with the best of it pre-flop and lost 3 $200-$300 pots. I'm now stuck $85 after about 1600 hands into the $100's. I didnt expect any resistance until the $200's...oops.

[/ QUOTE ]
Getting sucked out on can hardly be called resistance. Keep going; I hope you'll find better luck soon.

Oh, and welcome on board. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[primate]

Nice thread. I just happened to start playing properly (got some time of work) since May 14th 2005 keeping track of everything using Poker Office. Here are my stats below since that date. I bought in for $150 at the full table nl $25 PP (sorry I couldnt figure out how to capture an image of my stats off the screen).

$25 nl - HANDS 6249 / WON% 7.95 / SAWFLOP 23.7 / $WON 365 / RAISE 3.94

$50 nl - HANDS 4703 / WON% 8.76 / SAWFLOP 23.13 / $WON 448 / RAISE 3.25

100 nl HANDS 11229 / WON% 7.19 / SAWFLOP 20.6 / $WON 382 / RAISE 3.58

My total in the 100's is actually a bit more with a bankroll of about $1500. This is due to the fact that Poker Office crashed for a day or 2.

As you can see I'm floundering in the 100 nl games. Any comments or advice that would help my game?

[goodguy_1]

Initially I was up $256 within my first hour of $100 6MAX. I then ran very poorly next couple sessions. I was down $350 close to busting but turned it around.
I'll try the $200's this week /images/graemlins/smile.gif

http://img219.echo.cx/img219/2964/nlchallenge100s3va.png

[goodguy_1]

I havent played much $200 yet .. hopefully I can complete this level by the end of the month: http://img33.echo.cx/img33/6328/nlchallenge200s5hj.png

[grouchie]

I'm hoping to get back to this challenge soon.

Still have a couple buy-ins at the 25 level. Just needed to take time off because of all the beats i was receiving.

[goodguy_1]

havent been playing much $200 NL. Other priorities are more important..like trying to salvage a crappy month. Having my worst month of 2005 up $6200... I'll get back to this if things smooth out a bit /images/graemlins/grin.gif

http://img274.echo.cx/img274/7632/nlchallenge200s3ec.png

The 6MAX games are where the best action is at for the $200's like every other limit. I find the $100 and $200 NL Full games too be horrible-very tight. The Full $100 and $200 PLHE games are better than the Full NLHE games at least for me.

Here's one that hurt from yesterday-villain is a LAG that plays well and has been reraising many pots in late position. Maybe I should have raised less but I really just wanted to bet the pot plus a bit more which I did to get it heads-up with the LAG.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 ($187)
CO ($469.55)
Button ($171.15)
SB ($91.65)
Hero ($198)
UTG ($152)
UTG+1 ($178)
MP1 ($184.8)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $12</font>, CO calls $12, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $11, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $58</font>, UTG calls $56, MP2 calls $175 (All-In), CO folds, SB folds, Hero calls $138 (All-In), UTG calls $92 (All-In).

Flop: ($561) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 3 all-in)</font>

Turn: ($561) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 3 all-in)</font>

River: ($561) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 3 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $561

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Kc Kh (one pair, kings).
UTG has Ts Th (one pair, tens).
MP2 has Ks Kd (flush, ace high).
Outcome: MP2 wins $549. Hero wins $9. </font>




Hero wins $9-hah

[wtfsvi]

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5019/complete1pa.png (http://www.imageshack.us)

Seriously, if my luck lasts much longer I'll start getting big headed. And still I missed out on $300 tonight from not pushing before the action-killing cards came on this hand:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Villain is loose preflop but fairly tight postflop. I've seen the check-minraise once before and it was top two pair. I am very certain he has an overpair after he does it here (he doesn't raise that many hands preflop). I've been LAGing it up and making a couple of marginal calls (both turned out to be bluffs, one from villain) that villain commented on.

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB ($583.35)
BB ($600)
UTG ($164.95)
MP ($426.6)
Hero ($1257.15)
Button ($757.67)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $3.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $12</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $30</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP calls $18.

Flop: ($69) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $40</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $80</font>, Hero calls $40.

Turn: ($229) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $200</font>, MP types "bs" and folds.

Final Pot: $429

I never three-bet. Have to work on that. Maybe I should check behind on the turn too, once I get there the way I did. Anyway, I won't let this hand bug me now, me being the champion and all /images/graemlins/cool.gif

I don't think I'll play NL$1000 though. I have no illusions about being good enough.

[meleader2]

in 3k hands? what the hell. i hate my life.

[swolfe]

awesome, dude. congrats!

[Weatherhead03]

I'd just like to say well done. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[jkkkk]

Very impressive, bloody luckbox! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Congrats man.

[wtfsvi]

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/4093/complete4cj.th.png (http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=complete4cj.png)

I figure I'll hang around the NL$400/$600 and see what happens. Worst case scenario I lose a couple of thousand and move down again. Variance has been extremely good to me during this challenge of course, but I'm actually quite certain I can beat the mid stakes games with proper table selection. It will be kind of like the original challenge in other words, only I'll take $2000 and play $400-600 instead of the $1000.

This has been good for me, especially in terms of getting used to throw large chunks of money around. Thanks dtbog. (Haha, I sound like I just won an academy award. I'm pathetic /images/graemlins/tongue.gif /images/graemlins/laugh.gif)

And thanks for the congratulating, boys.

[Lalit Khajuria]

Great thread and well done!

Lycka till gubben!(even my swedish is little rusty.. not to talk about norweigian /images/graemlins/frown.gif )

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
This has been good for me, especially in terms of getting used to throw large chunks of money around.

[/ QUOTE ]

Very well done! (and pretty damn impressive stats!)

Either you're running INSANELY well, or you probably learned that you can be more confident about your abilities ... even the NL $1k, I'm sure you're not in as bad shape as you think if you played there. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Congrats!

(btw, you have 4k of profit.. the challenge was only to get 3k of profit!)

-dB

[IamLeach]

Well done...WooHoo! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[IamLeach]

Your a horrible liar...and if your telling the truth...(I doubt it) you should be castrated with the dull end of a spork!

[wtfsvi]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar på:</font><hr />
(btw, you have 4k of profit.. the challenge was only to get 3k of profit!)

-dB

[/ QUOTE ]

Quote from the original post:
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar på:</font><hr />
My goal, of course, is to play $1000 NL and get to $4k in the process.

[/ QUOTE ]

The goal would be to get $3900 in profit I guess. I didn't keep track, was actually amazed that I was finished when I wrapped up the session and checked PT.


</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar på:</font><hr />
Either you're running INSANELY well, or you probably learned that you can be more confident about your abilities ... even the NL $1k, I'm sure you're not in as bad shape as you think if you played there.

[/ QUOTE ]
Even though I'm more confident about my abillities now than when I began the challenge, I have indeed been running insanely good. I'll move up to the NL$1000 when I've made the challenge-money into $15K /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[goodguy_1]

I have not played since last day of June been on a much needed break-first in a year and a half. I will return to this challenge at the $200 level and a similar PLO challenge when I get off my break. Here's what things look like now I still think I can get thru the $200 with just some time. If I succeed it will most likely be at the $200 6MAX's. Congrats to wtfsvi-wtfg dude great job! Above the $200's I am wary with such a small roll and lack of experience:

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/8462/200s1zh.png


http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1967/nlchallenge25s9ce.png
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/4947/nlchallenge50s4sq.png http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/8314/nlchallenge100s4vw.png

[dtbog]

I decided to start the challenge over again on Friday.

I've been running so awfully lately that this was bound to happen:

http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/9063/100pwnage0kg.png

Sustainable, right? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Falker11]

Man start a new thread...this one is way too long

Nice run though

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
Man start a new thread...this one is way too long

Nice run though

[/ QUOTE ]

Better than spamming the forum, though. I don't know how many people cared the first time, and I'm sure the second is a smaller subset /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[mosuavea]

You still doing this dt? Im looking to mix things up this weekend since I have a done of time to play and might give this a shot for a little while

[ QUOTE ]
I don't know how many people cared the first time, and I'm sure the second is a smaller subset

[/ QUOTE ]

I care, Dave. I care. /images/graemlins/heart.gif

Hearts and candycorn!

[goodguy_1]

still doing this thing about halfway done with the $200's:

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/4752/nlchallenge200s6mw.png

[goodguy_1]

Woohoo just completed the $200's..it took a long time becuase I dont play this game regularly everyday and I was careful to play in only good games ie games with $80+ pot averages. I made most of my money on Paradise in the Full games which is unusual for me becuase in general I fare much better in 6MAX games than Full game..for example my winrate is $14.50 an hour at $100 NL 6MAX but only ~$8.00 per hour at $100 NL Full.
I have been very annoyed about this winrate at the $100 Full's it's pathetic- $8.00 an hour is only about or 7.27 PT BB/100..pretty lame..thats on 118K hands.

When NLHE was first introduced at Party my $100 NL Full earn stayed at $14.00 per hour around 13PT BB/100..NL need fish thu ..accordingly as the games have gotten tighter my winrate has plummetted from 13 PT BB/100 to 7PT BB/100. I seem to give too much action in full tables but in 6MAX I naturally seem to just do better-I think because I'm just more aggressive. I thought I'd have to play the $200 6MAX's to get this done but I ran well at Paradise in 2 big sessions...Action in general on Paradise is much better than Party!:
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/9748/nlchallenge200s9iq.png
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/9020/nlchallenge100s3nj.png
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/93/nlchallenge50s2ka.png
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/9099/nlchallenge25s9vx.png

The OP's goals were 2 fold #1 To play $1000 NLHE and #2 To make $4K during this Challenge. Fact is you dont even need to play in the $1000's to make $4K. If you earn 4x the game limit at each level you will only have to play up into the $600's .If you are lucky enough to complete the $600's your original $100 stake should be $5600 for a net gain of $5500.

Playing with only 4 buy-ins ie $1600 for the $400 is a bit daunting to say the least.. I'm going to put some more solid hours in at the $200's Full and 6MAX before I attempt to beat the $400's -I just dont think I'm good enough yet plus this month has been crap for me ...maybe in Sept.I'll give it a shot. I knew I could get past the $200's the $400's I dont have that confidence..yet.

The best thing about this challenge is it got me start playing NL again. I'm playing as much NL as Limit now after playing almost all Limit from early this year.

This is a great way to get a feel for the play at various levels..give it a shot plus it's fun.

[restless]

ok, I don't know if dtbog or goodguy_1 is still doing this, but I've decided to come along too. This will truly be a great challenge for me, since I've only played NL50 before. Anyway, I have a spare $100 on PokerStars so I'm gonna play there instead. Also I don't have a lot of free time for poker so I don't expect to be able to put in more than 1000 hands / week.

Here's my progress so far.

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/7111/nl253qt.png

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/6954/nl50p19zu.png

Hmmmm, I guess I need to work on that PFR% if I wan't a happy ending to this endevour...

Off to a good start in the 50's mainly thanks to flopped quads.

Is anyone else still running this?

[Allinlife]

i will say it again. this challenge is dumb.

[restless]

[ QUOTE ]
i will say it again. this challenge is dumb.

[/ QUOTE ]

/images/graemlins/smile.gif well of course it is. but dumb can be fun ! chances are pretty good that I end up with nothing, but hey, I had nothing when I started, so... I guess that means I'll still have everything left.