Pocket eights on a 964r flop vs 2 tight opponents

[A_C_Slater]

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Both opponents seem to be tight, but I don't have any information regarding their postflop play. Only a few dozen hands here and multitabling.


Preflop: Slater is UTG with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Slater calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Slater raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Slater bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Slater calls, SB calls.

River: (10.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Slater calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB


Should I be raising the flop? Calling the river?

[shadow29]

I check the turn. And no, not because I saw he c/red.

But since he did, I'm not so sure about the river call. True, you're getting 11.5:1, but I can't imagine that you're good here. Remember that he was in the BB and thus could have most anything, including straights, 2 pair, and sets.

[Redd]

I'd probably fold the flop. Would this player lead a 6 from SB here?

[A_C_Slater]

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I'd probably fold the flop. Would this player lead a 6 from SB here?

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I don't know. I do know that a lot of players will lead at flops like this with only two overcards. Or a 4 or a 6.

[Redd]

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I'd probably fold the flop. Would this player lead a 6 from SB here?

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I don't know. I do know that a lot of players will lead at flops like this with only two overcards. Or a 4 or a 6.

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Yeah, that's true. But are you ahead often enough (and do you dodge those 6 outs often enough) to justify fighting for 3 small bets?

[A_C_Slater]

But by the time it gets to me it's 5 SB.

[Redd]

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But by the time it gets to me it's 5 SB.

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Yeah, also true. But what is the second tight player calling with getting 4:1 odds?

[A_C_Slater]

I don't know. I only said they appear tight after a few dozen hands. They may be maniac/donks postflop. I see players go crazy over small ragged flops like this all the time because they "know" that no one hit it.

[Redd]

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I see players go crazy over small ragged flops like this all the time because they "know" that no one hit it.

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I understand what you're saying, but this almost seems like you're justifying playing this flop because you "know" that no one hit it.

I'll give it some more thought. It just seems like a marginal hand in a small pot to me, but I can see the case for playing it. I'd be really interested to hear what everyone else thinks too.

[Buckmulligan]

The turn check raise looks pretty bad. I'm sure there isn't much difference between calling down and folding though, to be honest.

[milesdyson]

I would raise preflop and fold the river.

[Prof. Chaos]

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I would raise preflop and fold the river.

[/ QUOTE ]word, why didn't you raise PF?

[Buckmulligan]

I remember an AC post in which he condemned the UTG raising of 99... Don't get him started on 88.

[ArturiusX]

I dont raise 88 but I raise 99.

88 has a lot less favourable flops, I think paying extra is fruitless.

[btspider]

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I remember an AC post in which he condemned the UTG raising of 99... Don't get him started on 88.

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8 handed, tight blinds.

all UTG's are not equal.

[Prof. Chaos]

nvm, I read his post wrong.

[TripleH68]

AC,

I think the flop raise could go either way, since you have a caller in between. But I understand your thinking on the blinds playing at you.

I think with two opponents a turn check is in order. They will put you on overcards and you can raise the river if you hit a str8.

FWIW I have been raising this UTG most of the time.

[milesdyson]

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I remember an AC post in which he condemned the UTG raising of 99... Don't get him started on 88.

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8 handed, tight blinds.

all UTG's are not equal.

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Yar.

[Duerig]

I think you have to fold this river. I can't imagine you ever being good here. Also, with a bet and a call before you on the flop, I consider folding the flop. But I tend to be too tight.