AZK
05-25-2005, 06:46 PM
Note: The problem in my thinking here is that not everyone reads 2+2, knows what a value bet is etc...
On to the hand:
Greektown 2/2/5
I'm playing well and have the table covered. I haven't really gotten out of line, showed down bluffs, nothing. When I've flipped over on the river, it's been the nuts basically. I'm aggressively raising with position but my image isn't crazy or anything. 5 limpers to me and I oblige and throw in $3 on the button with 62o (this isn't as bad as it looks, if I hit I get paid, that's it - going to start a new thread about this)
Flop 234 two hearts
BB bets 30, folded around to me, I call.
(I'm calling here mostly to see what he has and to see if he is willing to fire again on the turn. This is mostly curiousity and my gutshot. This is not interesting to me, so I don't need any comments about preflop and flop)
A note about the BB: this kid seems to be playing pretty scared, he worked his buyin up to over 2k but has since then beeen slowly giving it away. To the best of my knowledge I have not seen him bet his draws, when he bets, he normally has a hand that isn't the nuts (he'd slowplay) but one he wants to protect against. I haven't seen him win a pot past the flop, i.e. if betting goes down on the turn/river he is normally folding and or losing on the river. When he bets the flop he wins since most of the time people fold (and he will show something like TPTK. Does this make any sense?
Turn 5h
He checks, I bet 50, he makes it 200. I hesitate and call.
This is very bizarre. If he had a set, he would not raise me as I could be representing anything from the straight to the flush. If he has a flush, he could raise me, but I still think he would slow play. He isn't good enough to check-raise the nut straight or flush. I suppose he could do it with an inferior flush, but at the time it didn't feel like a "I have a good hand bet" it felt more like a "I'm scared bet"
River 3
He bets 400, I think for a little and finally call.
Final board is 23453 (3 hearts).
On the river I am thinking, if he did have the flush, the 3 is very scary, so why would he lead for a potsized bet with the flush, I would think he would throw out a block. Problem is that the only people i know that know what a blocking bet is are 2+2ers. I still felt like would check/call with the flush here, based on previous hand where he check/called the river on a equally scary board with a non-nut flush. Also on the river, I couldn't see how he got there with the set becuse of the turn bet. And if in the beginning I am 99% positive he would not play 76 like this, then it's a good call, right? Perhaps this is where live NL comes into play vs. online. This kid looked like he did not want a call. He looked scared, but again I'm not sure if it's strong enough to call.
I'm really interested in someone going through my turn/river logic for my calls to tell me whether this is awful logic, good logic or what. Thanks.
On to the hand:
Greektown 2/2/5
I'm playing well and have the table covered. I haven't really gotten out of line, showed down bluffs, nothing. When I've flipped over on the river, it's been the nuts basically. I'm aggressively raising with position but my image isn't crazy or anything. 5 limpers to me and I oblige and throw in $3 on the button with 62o (this isn't as bad as it looks, if I hit I get paid, that's it - going to start a new thread about this)
Flop 234 two hearts
BB bets 30, folded around to me, I call.
(I'm calling here mostly to see what he has and to see if he is willing to fire again on the turn. This is mostly curiousity and my gutshot. This is not interesting to me, so I don't need any comments about preflop and flop)
A note about the BB: this kid seems to be playing pretty scared, he worked his buyin up to over 2k but has since then beeen slowly giving it away. To the best of my knowledge I have not seen him bet his draws, when he bets, he normally has a hand that isn't the nuts (he'd slowplay) but one he wants to protect against. I haven't seen him win a pot past the flop, i.e. if betting goes down on the turn/river he is normally folding and or losing on the river. When he bets the flop he wins since most of the time people fold (and he will show something like TPTK. Does this make any sense?
Turn 5h
He checks, I bet 50, he makes it 200. I hesitate and call.
This is very bizarre. If he had a set, he would not raise me as I could be representing anything from the straight to the flush. If he has a flush, he could raise me, but I still think he would slow play. He isn't good enough to check-raise the nut straight or flush. I suppose he could do it with an inferior flush, but at the time it didn't feel like a "I have a good hand bet" it felt more like a "I'm scared bet"
River 3
He bets 400, I think for a little and finally call.
Final board is 23453 (3 hearts).
On the river I am thinking, if he did have the flush, the 3 is very scary, so why would he lead for a potsized bet with the flush, I would think he would throw out a block. Problem is that the only people i know that know what a blocking bet is are 2+2ers. I still felt like would check/call with the flush here, based on previous hand where he check/called the river on a equally scary board with a non-nut flush. Also on the river, I couldn't see how he got there with the set becuse of the turn bet. And if in the beginning I am 99% positive he would not play 76 like this, then it's a good call, right? Perhaps this is where live NL comes into play vs. online. This kid looked like he did not want a call. He looked scared, but again I'm not sure if it's strong enough to call.
I'm really interested in someone going through my turn/river logic for my calls to tell me whether this is awful logic, good logic or what. Thanks.