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[euri10]

hi,
I'm brand new to triple draw, and as a regular 2/4 PLO player now I must say I really enjoy this game, at least the few hands I played.
I have a few questions :
*Are there other places than UltimateBet to play at ?
*Are there bankroll requirements as in limit HE you should have 900BB ?
*How works hand history at UB, I'm able to catch only a particular hand, no way to get my whole session if I don't know hand number I played...
*what would be a good limit to begin with, I tested from 2/4 to 5/10 and made quite nothing (gain or loss) at each table...
*are there some "basic" concepts to know at this game ?
*position semms to be very important, I tend to loosen a lot on the button, is it he case ?
*what are starting hands requirements if any ?
*does the hand converter work for this game ?
*rake seems to be very high especially HU, should I play tighter with less people ?

wahooo this is a lot of questions at once !

and you find a hand I played, just wanted to hear your thoughts about it. Thank you in advance and hope to post more in he future and maybe give you advices in the future /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Hand #5730202-11559 at Rye ($2/$4 Triple Draw 2-7)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 22/May/05 17:42:23

player A is at seat 0 with $188.25.
player B is at seat 1 with $96.
euri10 is at seat 2 with $133.50.
player C is at seat 3 with $10.75.
player D is at seat 4 with $208.75.
player E is at seat 5 with $140.25.
The button is at seat 3.

player D posts the small blind of $1.
player E posts the big blind of $2.

player A: -- -- -- -- --
player B: -- -- -- -- --
euri10: 7c 3d Kh Ts 4s
player C: -- -- -- -- --
player D: -- -- -- -- --
player E: -- -- -- -- --

First Round:

player A folds. player B raises to $4. euri10
calls. player C folds. player D calls. player E
calls.

player D takes 2 cards. player E takes 2 cards.
player B takes 2 cards. euri10 takes 2 cards.

player B: -- -- -- -- --
euri10: 7c 3d 4s 9c 3s
player D: -- -- -- -- --
player E: -- -- -- -- --

Second Round:

player D checks. player E checks. player B
checks. euri10 checks.

player D takes 2 cards. player E takes 1 card.
player B takes 2 cards. euri10 takes 2 cards.

Third Round:

player B: -- -- -- -- --
euri10: 7c 3d 4s 2c Td
player D: -- -- -- -- --
player E: -- -- -- -- --

player D bets $4. player E calls. player B folds.
euri10 calls.

player D stands pat. player E takes 1 card.
euri10 takes 1 card.

euri10: 7c 3d 4s 2c 5c
player D: -- -- -- -- --
player E: -- -- -- -- --

Final Round:

player D bets $4. player E calls. euri10 raises
to $8. player D calls. player E folds.



Showdown:

euri10 shows 7c 5c 4s 3d 2c.
euri10 has 7 5 4 3 2.
player D mucks cards.
(player D has 8c 6c 5s 4c 3c.)


Hand #5730202-11559 Summary:

$2.25 is raked from a pot of $48.
euri10 wins $45.75 with 7 5 4 3 2.
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[randomstumbl]

[ QUOTE ]
*Are there other places than UltimateBet to play at ?

[/ QUOTE ]

Ultimate Bet has the largest selection of Triple Draw games. 24h poker has some low limit multitable tourneys and cash games (the cash games are usually empty). Games Grid also has started spreading TDL.

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*Are there bankroll requirements as in limit HE you should have 900BB ?

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I think the generally held belief is that triple draw has higher variance than hold'em. That may require a higher bankroll for professional players. If you're a recreational player, I'd think that 300 BB is plenty as long as you're willing to drop down during bad runs.

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*How works hand history at UB, I'm able to catch only a particular hand, no way to get my whole session if I don't know hand number I played...

[/ QUOTE ]

Ultimate History (http://www.pokertracker.com/ubh.html) is a tool to save hand histories for use with Poker Tracker. It will save hand histories to your computer even if you don't use Poker Tracker.


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*what would be a good limit to begin with, I tested from 2/4 to 5/10 and made quite nothing (gain or loss) at each table...

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I think that question is difficult to answer. Everyone plays poker for a variety of reasons. I doubt you could just jump in to 5/10 and start winning without knowing much about the game. In fact, I doubt you could consistently beat 2/4 without a pretty good understanding. On the other hand, if you enjoy playing those levels while you learn, then it's a good choice.

[ QUOTE ]
*are there some "basic" concepts to know at this game ?
*position semms to be very important, I tend to loosen a lot on the button, is it he case ?
*what are starting hands requirements if any ?

[/ QUOTE ] Super System 2 has a chapter on triple draw (both 2-7 and a-5). It covers all of this and a lot of other important topics.
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*does the hand converter work for this game ?


[/ QUOTE ]

I actually don't know if there's a hand converter that works. I've just been using find>replace in Word. Anyone else know of a hand converter that works?

Whew, that was a lot of questions...anyway, have fun playing TDL.

[lucas9000]

first of all, welcome.

[ QUOTE ]
*are there some "basic" concepts to know at this game ?

[/ QUOTE ]

read the triple draw chapter in super system 2. probably the most important single basic concept: the deuce is the key card. with some exceptions, you really don't want to play a pot without a deuce.

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*position semms to be very important, I tend to loosen a lot on the button, is it he case ?

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if you can do so profitably, yes that's great. position is HUGE in triple draw. just be careful of not getting TOO loose.

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*what are starting hands requirements if any ?

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as with any form of poker, you could make rigid starting hand requirements, but they could never account for all the various exceptions. generally, for starting out, stick to good 2-card draws better. e.g., 234xx, 237xx, 247xx, etc. you want those wheel cards, especially the deuce. playing heads up or three handed, though, playign this tight could get you in a lot of trouble.

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*rake seems to be very high especially HU, should I play tighter with less people ?

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i wouldn't play tighter with less people than you do at a full table. you will get KILLED by opponents stealing your blinds.

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and you find a hand I played, just wanted to hear your thoughts about it. Thank you in advance and hope to post more in he future and maybe give you advices in the future /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Hand #5730202-11559 at Rye ($2/$4 Triple Draw 2-7)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 22/May/05 17:42:23

player A is at seat 0 with $188.25.
player B is at seat 1 with $96.
euri10 is at seat 2 with $133.50.
player C is at seat 3 with $10.75.
player D is at seat 4 with $208.75.
player E is at seat 5 with $140.25.
The button is at seat 3.

player D posts the small blind of $1.
player E posts the big blind of $2.

player A: -- -- -- -- --
player B: -- -- -- -- --
euri10: 7c 3d Kh Ts 4s
player C: -- -- -- -- --
player D: -- -- -- -- --
player E: -- -- -- -- --

First Round:

player A folds. player B raises to $4. euri10
calls. player C folds. player D calls. player E
calls.

player D takes 2 cards. player E takes 2 cards.
player B takes 2 cards. euri10 takes 2 cards.

player B: -- -- -- -- --
euri10: 7c 3d 4s 9c 3s
player D: -- -- -- -- --
player E: -- -- -- -- --


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at a full table, with raiser before you and the button and blinds yet to act, i'd seriously consider folding this hand. in order to make a 7 you need a 2, and it's generally not a good idea to be drawing for a 2 because there are only 4 of them in the deck, and the raiser may very well have one of them.

anyone think he should re-raise to isolate here?

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Second Round:

player D checks. player E checks. player B
checks. euri10 checks.

player D takes 2 cards. player E takes 1 card.
player B takes 2 cards. euri10 takes 2 cards.

Third Round:

player B: -- -- -- -- --
euri10: 7c 3d 4s 2c Td
player D: -- -- -- -- --
player E: -- -- -- -- --

player D bets $4. player E calls. player B folds.
euri10 calls.

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not sure if a raise would be appropriate here. you have position, and a pat 10 with the wheel draw to fall back on. he's probably betting a pat hand better than a 10, though, so i think a raise here would be -ev.

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player D stands pat. player E takes 1 card.
euri10 takes 1 card.

euri10: 7c 3d 4s 2c 5c
player D: -- -- -- -- --
player E: -- -- -- -- --

Final Round:

player D bets $4. player E calls. euri10 raises
to $8. player D calls. player E folds.



Showdown:

euri10 shows 7c 5c 4s 3d 2c.
euri10 has 7 5 4 3 2.
player D mucks cards.
(player D has 8c 6c 5s 4c 3c.)


Hand #5730202-11559 Summary:

$2.25 is raked from a pot of $48.
euri10 wins $45.75 with 7 5 4 3 2.
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nice catch /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[daveymck]

IS there any decent online content? dont really want to just buy SS2 for 1 game (but prob should get it at some point)

Played my first hand of it yesterday for a change of pace, without reading the rules my dealt flush that I stood pat on all three rounds surprisingly didnt win me the pot.

Only 4 pages of stuff here any other sites that are worth a look? A google search diodnt come up with much.

[lucas9000]

[ QUOTE ]
IS there any decent online content? dont really want to just buy SS2 for 1 game (but prob should get it at some point)

Played my first hand of it yesterday for a change of pace, without reading the rules my dealt flush that I stood pat on all three rounds surprisingly didnt win me the pot.

Only 4 pages of stuff here any other sites that are worth a look? A google search diodnt come up with much.

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i have done some searching online and found next to nothing worthwhile on td. i know what you mean about ss2...the other chapters aren't really anything special. but, right now it is basically THE td resource. you could of course go to a barnes & noble and spend the afternoon reading the td section.

[fnord_too]

[ QUOTE ]
IS there any decent online content? dont really want to just buy SS2 for 1 game (but prob should get it at some point)



[/ QUOTE ]

We discuss it here /images/graemlins/smile.gif. I don't think there has been any rigourous analysis of TD. Also, I don't think that 2-7 and A-5 are as close as many people think. There are certainly not isomorphic (in the mathematical sense of the word).

I read the TD section of SS (and I should probably go back and read it again), but I don't think there was anything earth shattering in it.

[randomstumbl]

I think the value of the SS2 chapter is that it tells you what you should do most of the time. A lot of what that chapter covers seems really basic after you've played for a while, but is not really that obvious.

I don't know of an online resource that's going to give you the basics of the game. There's no place that really covers the idea that you should stay pat with a nine when you have two other players drawing one card each or auto bet when you're a card ahead.

This board is a great resource to analyze specifics, but we all assume you know why 34567 is an easy fold when it's 4 bets to you in the big blind. There's a lot of basic stuff you need to understand before a lot of the stuff we talk about even makes sense.

And now for something completely different - I doubt there are that many real strategy differences between a-5 and 2-7; however, the hand strengths are drastically different which does change the tactics quite a bit.

Snowing has to be a LOT less effective in A-5. Aces and 5's just aren't as valuable as deuces and sevens/eights are 2-7. If you snowed everytime you got AAA, I think you'd lose a whole lot of money.

Also, stealing from the button is probably less valuable against a good opponent. I doubt A2xxx wins nearly as much against a bad two card draw as 27xxx wins against a bad two card draw.

Basically, the difference between a good and bad draw are much smaller in A-5. It becomes really obvious when you look at the worst hands you can make. KKKKQ is a lot less rare than a Royal Flush.

[euri10]

found that
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/showarticle.php?a_id=13737

[dibbs]

For that particular hand, with that action and your cards I'd dump that quick without groaning about it. If you're just jumping into the game, playing pretty tight will give you a good feel as of what you can play when and when you can kind of broaden your horizons. Just my opinion of course As far as your other questions, listen to the others, they know whats up.