There's a tiny stack - do I still push?

[pergesu]

Should I push here, or hope that smallie blinds out?

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BB (t2445)
UTG (t410)
Button (t4255)
Hero (t890)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
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[NYCNative]

I'd push. Even if he calls you've got two live cards probably and a drawing hand. Most likely you steal the BB.

[Karak567]

If that tiny stack doubles up, you become the tiny stack. Push it.

[curtains]

I'm almost sure you should be folding this.

Ok it's probably much closer than I originally stated...and it should depend a lot on their calling requirements. I ran it in eastbay and most calling ranges are going to be +EV if you push, but it's close. Also some people will be tighter in the BB here, as your push signifies a somewhat bigger hand than usual due to the extreme short stack.

I still prefer folding, but I'm not 100% confident that I'm right..

[adanthar]

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I'm 217% sure you should be folding this.

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[runner4life7]

I would fold this, the small stack will be forced to put in half his stack next hand and then another 100 the next if he somehow folds. I don't think the steal is worth the risk of busting and taking 4th. I could be very wrong with the EV of this move, but it would be a nice one to calculate with some varying calling standards for the BB.

[adanthar]

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Ok it's probably much closer than I originally stated...and it should depend a lot on their calling requirements. I ran it in eastbay and most calling ranges are going to be +EV if you push, but it's close. Also some people will be tighter in the BB here, as your push signifies a somewhat bigger hand than usual due to the extreme short stack.

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Eastbay's calling tool doesn't take UTG being guaranteed to be all in on the next hand into account.

[curtains]

Yes I know, that's why I lean towards folding.

[adanthar]

Yeah...I don't think it's close. If it's neutral EV to push, you have a slightly over 50% chance of being ITM next hand depending on everyone's cards because he's calling, plus about an equal chance to beat him even if he wins, so...nope, not close. I'm eyeballing this one but I'd be thinking about whether to push something like AT.

[augie00]

There is a decent chance that the BB won't call you...but stealing this BB does not increase your $EV by much considering busting here means no $$.

If you fold you have 790 left, and nearly as good of a chance to win as if you had 1090. Not to mention you're in the money.

I fold.

[bluefeet]

muck you

[curtains]

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Yeah...I don't think it's close. If it's neutral EV to push, you have a slightly over 50% chance of being ITM next hand depending on everyone's cards because he's calling, plus about an equal chance to beat him even if he wins, so...nope, not close. I'm eyeballing this one but I'd be thinking about whether to push something like AT.

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I think AT is a very clear push.

[runner4life7]

I will agree with the A10 push being clear.