Another JJ hand (level 1)

[Scuba Chuck]

I'm interested in your preflop action here. Do you fold, call, or raise this? If you intend to play this, I would be interested in your postflop strategy. ($33 buyin)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t860)
Button (t800)
SB (t785)
BB (t1325)
UTG (t695)
UTG+1 (t775)
MP1 (t770)
Hero (t775)
MP3 (t1215)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t75</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero .....

[valenzuela]

I fold like a wussy.

[NYCNative]

What's the buy-in? At the UB $11 games, I would call this and catch a flop, fold to a reraise. Of course at UB I know the players could raise UTG with a lot of things and I also have a lot mroe chips at the start to see flops with.

[dan123]

id push here

[fluorescenthippo]

I fold. not enough oponents to call and play for set value. ive only been at the 33s for a 100 games but it seems theres also a decent chance you are beat here.

I would push or raise at the 10s

[embersonfire]

Call, see a flop. If it comes with with undercards bet the pot, fold to a reraise if you put him on an overpair based on prev play.

[bluefeet]

Less adventurous: If I suspected I could get HU/short-handed to the flop I would just call. Granted, if you get 3-5 way to the flop, your position is going to make JJ much more difficult to play. But as the original raiser - short on chips no less, he will be quite compelled to bet hard on most flops. Given no overs to your J on board, a T75 call might be a cheap opportunity to knock him out, and perhaps a TPTK non-believer behind. A 'safe' checked board would also set up a check-raise from a late caller sensing an opportunity to pick up a decent pot. Lol...ok, maybe not so less adventurous. But seeing a flop here for 'only' T75 does provide many opportunities. Flop an over? eh..fold, you still have plenty of life - and will have most likely contributed to a pot that will see someone to the door.

[microbet]

Well, all the JJ talk and the fact that I haven't had the chance to play for about a week has me a little unsure, but I would fold. 75 seems like just a bit too much to call here in your position and with your stack. (unless the raiser is really lag - then I reraise)

[adanthar]

I just call and then play poker postflop (which does not necessarily mean I won't fold a T52 board if his bet is the right size.)

[microbet]

Is it close? Do I see why?

[Scuba Chuck]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t860)
Button (t800)
SB (t785)
BB (t1325)
UTG (t695)
UTG+1 (t775)
MP1 (t770)
Hero (t775)
MP3 (t1215)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t75</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t75, MP3 calls t75, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: (t250) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t95</font>, Hero .....

[adanthar]

Ooh, this is fun. You can make a case for any of the three.

Is MP3 a donkey? If he is I can see a call or a raise. If not, I probably fold.

[NYCNative]

That bet reeks to me of continuation bet of AQ flop miss or a smaller PP than you have (9s, possibly). In a cash game or later on, I would raise here. Early in a SNG I let villain take it. I doubt I would call unless I thought I could eventually get vilain to fold to a bet/raise, which does happen sometimes. Lots of people will stab once but not twice.

[Scuba Chuck]

Pretty early in the game, but I folded because I had one left to act behind me. Had MP3 not been in the game, I would have tried a raise here. BTW, MP3 did fold.

[The Yugoslavian]

Sucba,

I think you're like 5 threads over your JJ thread limit...why not just pm Adanthar for his manual on how to not suck with JJ?

You're becoming Jackpot Jay with all of your JJ hands /images/graemlins/wink.gif.

Yugoslav

[Scuba Chuck]

Yugo, I need to learn more moves than your "fold preflops." Also after yesterdays thread, I thought I would post some more of my JJ hands again. For me, it's my toughest hand.

Scuba
who takes it as a compliment "Jackpot Jay"

[bluefeet]

Damn....it would have to flop that. Only one guy behind you too. If i could give you about 400 more chips, this looks like a great time to do some defining w/ a T225ish raise.

1/3 pot bet could very easily be a trap from UTG. Could it really be a desperate plee... "pa-leeeeeease guys just fold, i ain't got no damn chips left"-weakass bet??

If it was just you and him, I might pop it and pray. With another PFr caller behind you, I resort to my original "fold to an over".

[Newt_Buggs]

I'de actually call here. There's almost no way that I'm folding to a weak t95 bet, and I don't want to trap myself against either of them. The guy behind will have a tough time doing anything other than folding without a K and a flush draw, and if UTG is betting this weak with (now) junk hes unlikely to decide to bet stronger on the turn with his weak hand.

[curtains]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm interested in your preflop action here. Do you fold, call, or raise this? If you intend to play this, I would be interested in your postflop strategy. ($33 buyin)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t860)
Button (t800)
SB (t785)
BB (t1325)
UTG (t695)
UTG+1 (t775)
MP1 (t770)
Hero (t775)
MP3 (t1215)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t75</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero .....

[/ QUOTE ]


This is one of those times I fold JJ. Call me crazy. Funny how I got into a big argument about how stupid it was to fold or limp regularly with JJ UTG, but now I'm one of the only ones that seems to want to fold.

[Bigwig]

[ QUOTE ]
Call me crazy.

[/ QUOTE ]

Heya, crazy.

I call.

[curtains]

Yea I just feel like it's a very unpleasant position to voluntariliy put yourself into. Almost impossible to call a raise behind you, tons of bad flops will come, sometimes "good" flops won't be good for your hand, and you are putting in 10% of your stack preflop.

Anyway that's just my style, I'm willing to understand if someone thinks it's horrible, since I call so many plays by others "terrible".

[Bigwig]

Folding JJ here cannot be 'terrible.'

[GtrHtr]

I would fold this although I doubt he has a K.

I truly hate JJ early in a Sng. I mentally lump them in to 66-JJ and play for set value only. I generally play them with a 3xBB raise in an unraised pot, will call for set value to a 2-4xBB raise before me and fold to overly aggressive PF betting.

[adanthar]

[ QUOTE ]
Almost impossible to call a raise behind you

[/ QUOTE ]

I reraise there really often.

[lehighguy]

Fold

[pooh74]

[ QUOTE ]

Yea I just feel like it's a very unpleasant position to voluntariliy put yourself into. Almost impossible to call a raise behind you, tons of bad flops will come, sometimes "good" flops won't be good for your hand, and you are putting in 10% of your stack preflop.

Anyway that's just my style, I'm willing to understand if someone thinks it's horrible, since I call so many plays by others "terrible".

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't think folding this horrible. I would call and play but basically I am hoping he has AK/Aq or TT so I dont know how +EV this is even calling and playing. Too much to call for set value (unless you're SURE you can stack him).

I dont think folding this horrible but i dont think this is analagous to folding JJ UTG (see previous JJ thread(s)). Maybe I have an overly wide gap in level I.