What to charge? What to charge?? Three hands...

[Garland]

Assume each opponent is standard, but note the huge stack for villian on the 2nd hand. Also assume that I rarely bet full pot. I mostly bet 2/3 to 3/4 as standard on most streets; however, I will value bet less money on the river at certain situations against certain opponents to induce lesser hands to call (this is probably not known on Party yet, as this is my standard move on Ultimate Bet).

What's your move on each of these hands at the river?

All comments appreciated.

Thanks,

Garland

Hand #1

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB ($665.45)
BB ($135.5)
UTG ($697.1)
UTG+1 ($608.8)
UTG+2 ($135.2)
MP1 ($629)
MP2 ($678.6)
MP3 ($1399.6)
CO ($504.95)
Garland ($591)

Preflop: Garland is Button with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $3.
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, MP3 calls $6, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Garland raises to $22</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls $16.

Flop: ($53) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Garland bets $35</font>, MP3 calls $35.

Turn: ($123) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP3 checks, Garland checks.

River: ($123) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Garland bets ???</font>

Hand #2

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 ($605.1)
MP2 ($555)
Garland ($604.95)
CO ($660.3)
Button ($591)
SB ($593.25)
BB ($491)
UTG ($2661.1)
UTG+1 ($1256.9)

Preflop: Garland is MP3 with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls $6, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls $6, Garland calls $6, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: ($27) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $16</font>, MP2 folds, Garland calls $16, BB folds.

Turn: ($59) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Garland bets $44</font>, UTG calls $44.

River: ($147) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Garland bets ???</font>

Hand #3

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 ($693.75)
MP3 ($765.85)
CO ($1702.2)
Button ($285)
Garland ($588)
BB ($770.35)
UTG ($634.2)
UTG+1 ($971.8)
UTG+2 ($441.75)
MP1 ($973.5)

Preflop: Garland is SB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif. Garland posts a blind of $3.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls $6, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Garland (poster) raises to $19</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls $16.

Flop: ($50) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Garland checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: ($50) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Garland checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $20</font>, Garland calls $20.

River: ($90) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Garland bets ???</font>.

[jerrybai125]

Id bet:

Hand 1: 85
Hand 2: 175
Hand 3: 75 (I'd bet flop on this hand)

[Yeti]

1) $100
2) $115
3) Meh, $70. You likely won't get paid, it's insanely obvious what you have. Lead the flop and this won't be a problem.

[BluffTHIS!]

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Hand 2: 175

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Straight draws aren't as obvious when they hit after you've been pushing them - you can overbet the pot frequently representing someone who keeps pushing AK and get paid.

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3) . . . Lead the flop and this won't be a problem.

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Exactly. You raised preflop and are expected to bet. Why you didn't do so is more puzzling since you pushed a straight draw in hand 2. And what you want the other guy to have is a lower flush that gets there and breaks him, which can only be done by building a big pot early.

[piki]

When my draw hits, I like to overbet the pot making it look like a steal. My feeling is my opponent has no idea what hand Im on and might consider calling just because they dont believe me. Once my opponent knows he needs to pony up the greenbacks when I hit, they get scared of my overbets and less of my 2/3 bets.

I could see value betting all 3, I think in the end it comes down to the table image you want to develop.

[Garland]

Hand #1: I bet $88, and he called and showed AJo.

I definitely left money on the table. I think I should bet the pot or push.

Hand #2: I am embarrassed to say that I misread my hand, but the play was correct whether or not I hit. I bet $111 and he thought for about 15 seconds and finally called with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gifT/images/graemlins/heart.gif for the flush draw that hit top pair on the turn. I represented a bluff pretty well.

Hand #3: I bet $77, and he called with a set of 44. I was contemplating a check-raise, but of course didn't know the strength of his hand based on the play thus far. Some people suggested betting out on the flop, but I didn't want to risk being raised out of the pot on something I'm willing to peel at least one card with. With the turn bet being so weak, of course I took the card.

Thanks for everyone's thoughts,

Garland