First 123 Tournies (Several Questions) [Archive]

lehighguy

05-24-2005, 07:44 AM

I made a lot of edits too add new info just now.

Here are a few stats from my first 123 tournies of 50s. I want to know what this +/- form bubble stat means. Am I being to aggressive in 4,5,6? Also, is my rate of winning 1st sustainable. I've felt like my HU play has been very strong. I'm usually playing for the win in most cases.

Two recent events have made me wonder if I'm being to aggressive with 4 people left. I'm going to try and post a few hands to that effect either below those stats or in another reply post.

ROI: 14%
ITM: 33%
VIG?: $615
ITM from Bubble: 70%
Bubble +/-: -5%

Finishes:
1st: 17
2nd: 7
3rd: 9
4th: 14
5th: 16
6th: 11
7th: 14
8th: 11
9th: 2
10th: 0

Converter is screwed up.

Hand 1:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t2979)
Hero (t2210)
BB (t1515)
UTG (t3296)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, Button raises to t1200, 1 fold, Button calls t1010.
Hero went all in.
Flop: (t2660) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)

Turn: (t2660) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)

River: (t2660) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: t2660

Hand 2:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB (t4100)
UTG (t3005)
Hero (t2185)
SB (t710)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, BB calls t1885.
Hero went all-in.
Flop: (t2335) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)

Turn: (t2335) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)

River: (t2335) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: t2335

Hand 3:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t1682)
SB (t4550)
Hero (t2689)
UTG (t1079)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, Button raises to t800, 1 fold, Hero calls t400.

Flop: (t1800) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero went all-in on flop.
Turn: (t1800) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)

River: (t1800) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: t1800

Hand 4:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t2885)
UTG (t5730)
Button (t1040)
SB (t345)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, Button calls t300, Hero calls t45, Button calls t45.

Flop: (t840) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Button folds.
Hero went all-in on flop.
Turn: (t840) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)

River: (t840) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: t840

Hand 5:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t2390)
SB (t5880)
BB (t695)
UTG (t1035)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to t600, 1 fold, Hero calls t95.

Flop: (t1145) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)

Turn: (t1145) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)

River: (t1145) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: t1145

Hand 6:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t1695)
Button (t5730)
SB (t1540)
BB (t1035)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Button calls t1695, 2 folds.
Hero went all-in preflop.
Flop: (t2145) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)

Turn: (t2145) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)

River: (t2145) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: t2145

lehighguy

05-24-2005, 09:22 AM

Bumpidy bump.

At least tell me what this +/- % from bubble means.

Blarg

05-24-2005, 10:00 AM

You mean as far as a definition goes, regarding +/- from bubble?

I think that means that the three ITM places are only 75% of the 4 places there are on the bubble. 25% of the players(one of them) will not make it into the money. But all things being equal(meaning you're ignoring the chip count), everyone has a 75% chance of making it.

Your totals are 70 and 5; if you got ITM as much as you were expected to, that 5 would be zero, reflecting the expected amount of times on average you should be getting ITM from 4th place. If you got in more than expected, that number would rise to as high as 25%.

Your low ITM of 33% also reflects that less than average amount of times you're moving from 4th to 3rd or better.

Interestingly, for my first 200 recorded tourneys, my ITM is 38% but my figures are 69 and -6. Slightly worse than yours, though my ITM is notably better. I have no idea how that could be.

EDITED to fix a screw up.

lehighguy

05-24-2005, 10:13 AM

Should my ITM suggest I need work on my going out early (4-8th place). What are possible leaks that cause this?

Any info on the hands I posted. I'm trying to identify the leak that is leading to my low ITM. It seems once I get into the final three I'm performing very well but not before it.

nickianthony

05-24-2005, 10:15 AM

your higher ITM just means that you make it to the final 4 more often than lehighguy does.

lehighguy

05-24-2005, 01:56 PM

Last desperate bump

Kristian

05-24-2005, 02:18 PM

You will certainly not be able to sustain your distribution of 1st, 2nd and 3rd.
Sample size is not big enough to tell if you have a problem around the bubble, could easily (and most likely) be a variance thing.
The first 2 hands posted look fine, 3rd depends on reads but I am inclined towards folding preflop. The others too hard to read for me to bother. You should make your hands readable before you post them.

Phil Van Sexton

05-24-2005, 02:29 PM

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is my rate of winning 1st sustainable.

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1st: 17
2nd: 7
3rd: 9

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I don't think so. Even a player who is aggressive ITM will probably end up with something like 40%-25%-35% breakdown (yes I just made that up).