coldcall allin preflop for 30bb with ATo vs tilty guy?

[creedofhubris]

5/10 NL. Lousy player who likes to minraise trash preflop has just lost a big hand and open-raises allin for $292 UTG.

Folded to you on the button, with A/images/graemlins/club.gifT/images/graemlins/spade.gif. You have $900.

In the blinds are one decent, fairly tight player ($750) and one shortstack ($150).

[edge]

Maybe if I was last to act and everyone else folded. In this spot, I'd prefer the money to be shallower to make this call.

[beta1607]

How is this a decision? [ QUOTE ]
Lousy player who likes to minraise trash preflop has just lost a big hand

[/ QUOTE ] You can find a much better spot then this, where you are at best a slight favorite. Lousy players in my experiance will make this play with a strong Ace or any pocket pair when they dont want to see a flop-this is not a situation to be calling 30bb bets with, especially with two players acting behind you.

[ggbman]

Pretty easy fold.

[excession]

Pretty easy fold.

Yeh, wasn't even 'sooted' /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Rotating Rabbit]

Countless times ive seen players lose a big pot then go all in with any decent raising hand with the hope that someome calls with an inferior holding, pretending to be on tilt. It seems to work fairly often too.

[creedofhubris]

[ QUOTE ]
Countless times ive seen players lose a big pot then go all in with any decent raising hand with the hope that someome calls with an inferior holding, pretending to be on tilt. It seems to work fairly often too.

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I tend to see them do it with any two.

I know that when I "tilt" like that it's a monster, but donkeys have pretty wide ranges.

[ML4L]

[ QUOTE ]
5/10 NL. Lousy player who likes to minraise trash preflop has just lost a big hand and open-raises allin for $292 UTG.

Folded to you on the button, with A/images/graemlins/club.gifT/images/graemlins/spade.gif. You have $900.

In the blinds are one decent, fairly tight player ($750) and one shortstack ($150).

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If anyone has PokerStove (I do not), I'd love to see the EV of calling vs. several ranges of hands here. Assume Hero to be in the BB for simplicity. Thanks in advance.

ML4L

[ML4L]

A particular range that I'd like to see:

Any pair
Any ace
Any two broadway
And, say, suited and offsuit one-gappers down to 64 (to be representative of the fact that he will have "trash" here, sometimes better, sometimes worse, some percentage of the time).

ML4L

[jhall23]

Here's one for AA-88, AK-AT and KQ
[ QUOTE ]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

166,093,488 games 0.441 secs 376,629,224 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 36.1468 % [ 00.30 00.06 ] { AcTs }
Hand 2: 63.8532 % [ 00.58 00.06 ] { AA-88, AKs-ATs, KQs, AKo-ATo, KQo }



[/ QUOTE ]

Here is a HUGE range with any 2 broadway and any pair.
[ QUOTE ]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

344,173,104 games 0.802 secs 429,143,521 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 47.9426 % [ 00.45 00.03 ] { AcTs }
Hand 2: 52.0574 % [ 00.49 00.03 ] { AA-22, AKs-ATs, KQs-KTs, QJs-QTs, JTs, AKo-ATo, KQo-KTo, QJo-QTo, JTo }


[/ QUOTE ]

You want to get any tighter/looser than either of these?

[jhall23]

[ QUOTE ]
A particular range that I'd like to see:

Any pair
Any ace
Any two broadway
And, say, suited and offsuit one-gappers down to 64 (to be representative of the fact that he will have "trash" here, sometimes better, sometimes worse, some percentage of the time).

ML4L

[/ QUOTE ]

Alright here is that one.


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

796,221,360 games 1.863 secs 427,386,666 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 58.1627 % [ 00.56 00.03 ] { AcTs }
Hand 2: 41.8373 % [ 00.39 00.03 ] { AA-22, AKs-A2s, KQs-KTs, QJs-QTs, JTs-J9s, T9s-T8s, 98s-97s, 87s-86s, 76s-75s, 65s-64s, AKo-A2o, KQo-KTo, QJo-QTo, JTo-J9o, T9o-T8o, 98o-97o, 87o-86o, 76o-75o, 65o-64o }

[AZK]

This is probably a slightly different situation, but this awful guy who bought in for the min, worked his stack up by just shoving it in preflop every single hand, it was the most crazy thing i saw last night. He ends up getting up to about 600 and loses it all, reloads for 100 (blinds 2/5) and moves all in. I called with K9o. Way ahead to his Q2s. Also these gambles do wonders for your image.

[ML4L]

[ QUOTE ]
Here's one for AA-88, AK-AT and KQ
[ QUOTE ]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

166,093,488 games 0.441 secs 376,629,224 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 36.1468 % [ 00.30 00.06 ] { AcTs }
Hand 2: 63.8532 % [ 00.58 00.06 ] { AA-88, AKs-ATs, KQs, AKo-ATo, KQo }



[/ QUOTE ]

Here is a HUGE range with any 2 broadway and any pair.
[ QUOTE ]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

344,173,104 games 0.802 secs 429,143,521 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 47.9426 % [ 00.45 00.03 ] { AcTs }
Hand 2: 52.0574 % [ 00.49 00.03 ] { AA-22, AKs-ATs, KQs-KTs, QJs-QTs, JTs, AKo-ATo, KQo-KTo, QJo-QTo, JTo }


[/ QUOTE ]

You want to get any tighter/looser than either of these?

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks. I'd say that the two sims here, along with the one that I proposed (which is a little skewed toward ATo, because sometimes the "trash" that he pushes will be something like Q6 instead of two unders) are representative of the possible assumptions on hand ranges. #1 is ridiculous, IMO. #2 is a better. I think that #3 is probably closest to reality. For every player who is smart enough to "fake-tilt," there are 10 that will really push here with practically any two.

ML4L

[creedofhubris]

[ QUOTE ]
A particular range that I'd like to see:

Any pair
Any ace
Any two broadway
And, say, suited and offsuit one-gappers down to 64 (to be representative of the fact that he will have "trash" here, sometimes better, sometimes worse, some percentage of the time).

ML4L

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I think this is reasonably close to the range of things tilty bad players move in with after losing a hand. It's an "I want to go home" raise.