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B-Man
12-11-2002, 02:29 PM
In the interest of not being a hypocrite, here is a good column on the Trent Lott "furor" which Chuck referred to in another post.

I agree with the basic premise of the column--Trent Lott is either a racist or stupid. Either way, the GOP certainly could find someone better qualified to be majority leader.
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Jonah Goldberg

December 11, 2002

A whole Lott of nothing

For several days now, I've been searching for a conservative to come to the defense of incoming Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott. I haven't found one. In fact, I constitute one of his biggest defenders simply because I don't think he should be dumped from the GOP leadership because he's allegedly racist. I think he should be dumped because he's politically stupid.

Let me bring you up to speed on the current brouhaha, in case you haven't been paying much attention. At retiring South Carolina Senator Strom Thurmond's 100th birthday party, Trent Lott said, "I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either."

Now, people too young to remember or too uninterested to know might think this is just a nice thing to say to a guy who ran for president over 50 years ago, when Lott was 7 years old by the way. And, to be fair to Lott, that is almost certainly what he intended -- to be nice to an old warhorse of the Senate.

The problem is that Strom Thurmond's "Dixiecrat" 1948 presidential candidacy was based pretty much entirely on opposing any push for civil rights for black Americans. We're not even talking about opposing, say, the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which would be hard enough to defend. We're talking 1948. Strom Thurmond didn't just oppose voting rights for blacks -- he opposed anti-lynching laws.

Here's what the 1948 sample ballot put out by the Mississippi Democratic Party had to say about the race between Thurmond and Truman: "A vote for Truman electors is a direct order to our Congressmen and Senators from Mississippi to vote for passage of Truman's so-called civil rights program in the next Congress. This means the vicious . anti-poll tax, anti-lynching and anti-segregation proposals will become the law of the land and our way of life in the South will be gone forever."

Trent Lott boasted about his state supporting this junk. After all, it's not like Thurmond's platform was full of planks about tax cuts or environmental protection.

Lott's "defenders" say Lott was simply trying to make ol' Strom -- who has apologized for his past positions -- feel good on his 100th birthday. And there's no doubt in my mind that this was Lott's primary, if not sole, motivation. Indeed, I bet Lott's (tardy) apology is sincere. In a statement issued Monday night, Lott said, "A poor choice of words conveyed to some the impression that I embraced the discarded policies of the past. Nothing could be further from the truth, and I apologize to anyone who was offended by my statement."

Unfortunately, the damage has been done. Republicans and conservatives have been treading uphill for years trying to prove that we're not racist. And Lott tripped us all, costing us hard-earned ground.

Lott's liberal critics rightly claim that this is hardly a one-time gaffe. For example, Lott has a long record of being too close to the Council of Concerned Citizens, a white supremacist group based in Mississippi. Lott has claimed that, even though he wrote a column for their newsletter, he never really knew what the CCC was up to. He claimed that liberals were unfairly trying to smear him with guilt by association.

And that's precisely why I can't forgive the guy. One has only two choices here: Either, you take Lott at his word or you don't. If you don't believe him, then, well, he's a racist and a foolish one for being so obvious about it. But if you take him at his word, that he made a mistake, that's even worse. I mean, he's been smeared with the racist label enough times to have learned his lesson, especially considering the fact he's supposed to lead the Republican Party.

Regardless, Trent Lott only does two things well, freeze-dry his hair and say stupid things. He mishandled impeachment, mishandled the 1998 elections, mishandled power-sharing with the Democrats after the 2000 election and mishandled Jim Jeffords straight into the Democratic Party.

One reason so many conservatives are denouncing Lott is that he's never given conservatives much reason to trust him or care about him. He's a deal-cutter who seems to stand for nothing except massive amounts of pork to his home state and, occasionally, sticking up for Jim Crow.

Already, many conservatives assume that Tom Daschle's muted support for Lott was paid for with some political concession. If incoming House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (or other Southerners like Newt Gingrich, Dick Armey et al) made a similar gaffe, conservatives would have bled in defense of the guy -- not only because he isn't racist, but because Delay stands for more than process and pork. But while DeLay stands for principle, Lott stands for little. And what he does stand for, we don't need.

HDPM
12-11-2002, 02:57 PM
This article was way off base when it suggested being stupid is worse than being a racist. That is crazy. I'll take stupid over bigoted any day. Lott said very similar things at a function for Strom in 1980. This was no off the cuff boo-boo. It was a man (probably stupid) saying things with racist implications. He has every reason to know the racist implications of what he said. I have criticized Lott before because of his bumbling, but this latest escapade takes the cake. He must be removed as majority leader. He should be denounced by fellow republicans. Even if he is not a racist, there is no way that someone making that comment can be an effective leader. He needs to be forced out of senate leadership. If Mississippi still wants him in the Senate, that's their problem I guess.

So here is one Republican denouncing him.

HDPM
12-12-2002, 12:23 AM
Here's a link. This guy is unreal. But he says his heart is in the right place. web page (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2002/12/11/national1950EST0835.DTL)

scalf
12-12-2002, 08:39 AM
/forums/images/icons/grin.gif hdpm...what you fail to understand...is this is a political game trent is playing...solidifying his position as a miss senator, fighting for tradition...(not racism)...lol...seriously, this solidifies his political base in miss....that black woman bitching for his resignation on national tv helped too...gl /forums/images/icons/cool.gif

HDPM
12-12-2002, 11:28 AM
Oh, I can understand that. But if that is what he is doing, the course of action for other Republicans is that much clearer. /forums/images/icons/smirk.gif

patrick dicaprio
12-12-2002, 02:22 PM
i wouldnt cry if he were removed as senate leader either. i dont think he is a good leader anyway, and now he is a black eye on our party, stupid or not. why not have bill frist as our party leader?

Pat

patrick dicaprio
12-12-2002, 02:24 PM
i am sure you are right. but that deosnt mean the rest of our party should take a hit for his ambition. get him out of there.

Pat

whiskeytown
12-13-2002, 12:19 AM
As a Republican, I concur...kick his ass out..

if he had pulled that [censored] a week before the election, it would have made the Wellstone Memorial bruhaha look like a cakewalk...the Dems would have taken back the whole friggen congress.

and I want more diversity in the Republican party....he's threatening it and he's a backwater hick....I don't think he can be removed from office, but at least get him out of the Leadership of the senate....hope someone has the balls to challenge him

RB

imported_Chuck Weinstock
12-13-2002, 10:07 PM
No, and I applaud you for it.

I've been watching this play out with interest and see that, in fact, Mr. Lott appears to have stepped across a line that even his party can't stomach.

The most interesting thing I heard today was on "All Things Considered" where there was a report (from a conservative commentator if I am not mistaken) that Lott has threatened to step down from the Senate if he is forced to step down as Majority Leader. (And, unspoken in this threat is the fact that the Mississippi Governor is a Democrat.) So much for party loyalty.

And no, I don't think this is a party issue. I don't think the fact that Lott is a Republican (or a Conservative) has anything to do with this.

Chuck