Poll: Hourly Rate...What is yours?

[1C5]

How much do you make an hour playing poker?

[Newt_Buggs]

isn't your hourly rate going to be based on ROI? And doesn't ROI begin to get accurate around 5,000 SnGs? If so I don't think its possible to extract an accurate hourly rate for 90% of the posters on here.

[TStokes]

little over break even over my first 500 but slowly moving it up each day.

[1C5]

No, your hourly rate is what it is. After 1 SnG or 1000000.

I just mean so far, what is your hourly rate. It may not be accurate as to what it will be but that it is what it is. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Newt_Buggs]

well, after an amazing 216 $50s I'm averaging $35 an hour each table that I have running. Times 4 tables thats $140 an hour. If I was good enough to think that I could actually make that 4 tabeling though I don't know if I would bother finishing school. Its fun to post it though /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Blarg]

I think you could fit two or three more choices between zero and ten dollars. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Nottom]

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well, after an amazing 216 $50s I'm averaging $35 an hour each table that I have running. Times 4 tables thats $140 an hour. If I was good enough to think that I could actually make that 4 tabeling though I don't know if I would bother finishing school. Its fun to post it though /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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So your saying you have something like a 40-50% ROI over 200+ SNGs?

[Matt Walker]

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$50s I'm averaging $35 an hour each table that I have running

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Sounds made up.

[curtains]

Cmon he admitted it was over 200 tourneys and gave the tone that he understood it wouldnt continue. Such a streak is well within the possibility of random chance for a good player.

[microbet]

Could very well be, but I think it's more likely that it's not made up. 216 SNGs isn't so many that he couldn't be on a hot streak - on top of having played well.

[Newt_Buggs]

216 with 44% ITM and 40% ROI at the $50s. Obviously theres some unbelievable hands that I got sucked out on in there and some stupid plays, but overall I think that I've been getting great cards and playing well.

[Apathy]

I don't care what people say since this is clearly a post your stats and brag thread, I am over 250 USD per hour 4-tabling and I am about to start 8-tabling.

[curtains]

250 an hour 4 tabling!!!!!!!!??? Thats not possible longterm at the $215s. It's obviously possible 8 tabling, but not 4.

[EverettKings]

So you make half a million a year? Ummmm

[lacky]

you left out his MTT win in your calculation /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[curtains]

Anyway screw it, if you are bragging I will too....Im at like $200 - $215 an hour 8 tabling the $109s, but will be moving to the $215s very shortly. Based on 1400 tourneys, but a decent portion of them were lower buyins because I wanted to work my way up to learn how to 8 table.


(I suspect it's some luck and my hourly rate is higher by 20-80 bucks than it should be, but I will be happy enough making $200 an hour 8 tabling the $215s, although suspect I may make more. Note also I play in sets, so get in almost exactly 8 tourneys per hour)

Also I can crush Apathy at headsup no limit holdem for about 500 dollars per hour.

[Bigwig]

I'm about $45/hour 3.5 tabling. I can't 4 table all the time, cause my comp acts up. I'll be fixing that problem soon. Also, that's not all $50s. Quite a bit of $30s in there, too.

[Blarg]

jeebus dude, will you be my boyfriend?

[curtains]

btw if you can have a 15 ROI at the 215s, and play 32 per day every day while 8 tabling (4 hours a day), you can expect to make over 400k a year because of the rakeback. Even with a 10 ROI you will make about 275k-300k, and this is for only about 4 hours of work per day.

[ilya]

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Also I can crush Apathy at headsup no limit holdem for about 500 dollars per hour.

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Big deal, who can't?! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[curtains]

Most can only make about 200-300 an hour against him, but I know all the holes in his game and thus exploit them perfectly.

[ilya]

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Most can only make about 200-300 an hour against him, but I know all the holes in his game and thus exploit them perfectly.

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/images/graemlins/grin.gif nh

[johnnybeef]

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btw if you can have a 15 ROI at the 215s, and play 32 per day every day while 8 tabling (4 hours a day), you can expect to make over 400k a year because of the rakeback. Even with a 10 ROI you will make about 275k-300k, and this is for only about 4 hours of work per day.

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while i knew this and am working my way up to be able to do it....how long do you expect this trend to continue?

[johnnybeef]

im at 30 an hour 8 tabling the 22s....im brd for the 33s (actuallly the 55s) but i want to get just a little bit less sloppy before settling in full time to 8 table the 33s. i do play in sets though.

[ilya]

I've been making about $30/hr 4-tabling the $33s. Just moved up to the $55s, we'll see how that goes.

[curtains]

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im at 30 an hour 8 tabling the 22s....im brd for the 33s (actuallly the 55s) but i want to get just a little bit less sloppy before settling in full time to 8 table the 33s. i do play in sets though.

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Johnny slowly add $33s to the mix. Don't just jump in and do all 8 $33s, but do maybe 2-6 or 4-4, or whatever.

[treeofwisdom7]

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Anyway screw it, if you are bragging I will too....Im at like $200 - $215 an hour 8 tabling the $109s, but will be moving to the $215s very shortly. Based on 1400 tourneys, but a decent portion of them were lower buyins because I wanted to work my way up to learn how to 8 table.


(I suspect it's some luck and my hourly rate is higher by 20-80 bucks than it should be, but I will be happy enough making $200 an hour 8 tabling the $215s, although suspect I may make more. Note also I play in sets, so get in almost exactly 8 tourneys per hour)

Also I can crush Apathy at headsup no limit holdem for about 500 dollars per hour.

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DUDE your my idol now.. im gonna read everypost you say..

if you tell me to wear an indian hat everytime i play poker i'll wear one.. haha teach me /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Mr_J]

Was about $65 an hour 6tabling the $22s (inc rakeback). Bout a 1k sample. About $40 an hr at .5/1 O8 inc bonuses. $82 an hr (not inc rakeback) at 3/6 O8. 4-5 tabling $33 sngs was about 0.50 an hr (breakeven, around 450 of them). $14 an hr single tabling $5 HU sngs at stars. That's about it.

[johnnybeef]

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im at 30 an hour 8 tabling the 22s....im brd for the 33s (actuallly the 55s) but i want to get just a little bit less sloppy before settling in full time to 8 table the 33s. i do play in sets though.

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Johnny slowly add $33s to the mix. Don't just jump in and do all 8 $33s, but do maybe 2-6 or 4-4, or whatever.

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yeah ive been doing 4 and 4 (which sat i won 6/8 and 3rd in the other) for the most part....although i have taken an occasional shot at 8 33s. but i usually only play the 33s late night (like now)

[Bigwig]

Oh, I forgot about rakeback. With my new deal, I'd actually be more like $50/hour. But I haven't had it that long.

[curtains]

btw piece of advice Number 1 for 2+2 - don't ever listen to anyone because of what they claim their ROI is or because of how well they do. The chances are often good that their sample size is too small and/or they are simply lying.

Also it's very possible to do reasonably well at sit and go's with tremendous flaws in your overall game. Some of this may show up in advice winning posters give. I'm sure I could beat the $33s or $55s (or the $109s or $215s for that matter) making some mistakes over and over again, whereas because of the money I would be winning, I may be fooled into thinking that these mistakes were the correct way to play.

Basically even though I'm doing well I know there are plenty of things that I could improve upon or that I do wrong, and it's probably the same for every other winning poster in this forum. Once you can accurately pinpoint mistakes that "winning" posters make, then you should feel most confident, because a lot of posters that I know win money, have posted things that I feel are completely wrong and I'm pretty sure some of them feel the same way about my posts (They are of course wrong).

In conclusion, someone who has a 15 ROI and a 20 ROI, will often feel just as good about their poker, because they are both winning a hell of a lot of money, especially if 8 tabling. Thus they will both believe they are correct, they will both be obvious winning players, yet one of them will often be wrong about some relatively obvious concepts that cost them those 5 ROI points. However for some people it's hard to try to change when you can 8 table for a riduculous hourly rate.

[ilya]

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Anyway screw it, if you are bragging I will too....Im at like $200 - $215 an hour 8 tabling the $109s, but will be moving to the $215s very shortly. Based on 1400 tourneys, but a decent portion of them were lower buyins because I wanted to work my way up to learn how to 8 table.


(I suspect it's some luck and my hourly rate is higher by 20-80 bucks than it should be, but I will be happy enough making $200 an hour 8 tabling the $215s, although suspect I may make more. Note also I play in sets, so get in almost exactly 8 tourneys per hour)

Also I can crush Apathy at headsup no limit holdem for about 500 dollars per hour.

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DUDE your my idol now.. im gonna read everypost you say..

if you tell me to wear an indian hat everytime i play poker i'll wear one.. haha teach me /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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curtains is also one of the (if not THE) strongest chess players on these boards. i'm no slouch with a career-high USCF 2184 rating, but curtains' rating is MUCH higher than mine.

[curtains]

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Anyway screw it, if you are bragging I will too....Im at like $200 - $215 an hour 8 tabling the $109s, but will be moving to the $215s very shortly. Based on 1400 tourneys, but a decent portion of them were lower buyins because I wanted to work my way up to learn how to 8 table.


(I suspect it's some luck and my hourly rate is higher by 20-80 bucks than it should be, but I will be happy enough making $200 an hour 8 tabling the $215s, although suspect I may make more. Note also I play in sets, so get in almost exactly 8 tourneys per hour)

Also I can crush Apathy at headsup no limit holdem for about 500 dollars per hour.

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DUDE your my idol now.. im gonna read everypost you say..

if you tell me to wear an indian hat everytime i play poker i'll wear one.. haha teach me /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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curtains is also one of the (if not THE) strongest chess players on these boards. i'm no slouch with a career-high USCF 2184 rating, but curtains' rating is MUCH higher than mine.

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Haha, you are trying to make up for the fact that you told Apathy that you were better than me at chess! btw ilya is honest in that 2184 is a very good rating, probably in top 97th-98th percentile of all active chessplayers.

[ilya]

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Anyway screw it, if you are bragging I will too....Im at like $200 - $215 an hour 8 tabling the $109s, but will be moving to the $215s very shortly. Based on 1400 tourneys, but a decent portion of them were lower buyins because I wanted to work my way up to learn how to 8 table.


(I suspect it's some luck and my hourly rate is higher by 20-80 bucks than it should be, but I will be happy enough making $200 an hour 8 tabling the $215s, although suspect I may make more. Note also I play in sets, so get in almost exactly 8 tourneys per hour)

Also I can crush Apathy at headsup no limit holdem for about 500 dollars per hour.

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DUDE your my idol now.. im gonna read everypost you say..

if you tell me to wear an indian hat everytime i play poker i'll wear one.. haha teach me /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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curtains is also one of the (if not THE) strongest chess players on these boards. i'm no slouch with a career-high USCF 2184 rating, but curtains' rating is MUCH higher than mine.

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Haha, you are trying to make up for the fact that you told Apathy that you were better than me at chess! btw ilya is honest in that 2184 is a very good rating, probably in top 97th-98th percentile of all active chessplayers.

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I'm glad you appreciate my attempt to atone for my sins. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Blarg]

Unless they start making the pieces out of chocolate, I'm staying the hell away from chess.

I like Go, though. If I had to choose one and only one game to play for the rest of my life, it would be Go.

[Newt_Buggs]

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Unless they start making the pieces out of chocolate, I'm staying the hell away from chess.

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haha, nice. To further hijack this thread, I was always more into backgammon. I don't think that I have the attention span to be very good at chess.

[treeofwisdom7]

*** ARM WRESTLING CHAMP ***


BOOOOYAA!

[DonCaspero]

A little bit over $500/hr over 231 sngs

[Zelcious]

35/55 = 0.636

[stupidsucker]

my $/hr is
$52.80 if I play in sets
$66.60 if I play continuous
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8tabling the 55s not including rakeback

A fun stat is..

I can SAFELY 8table the 22's continuously without breaking a sweat for $50/hour.

Rakeback makes all the difference.

[sofere]

$30/hr 4 tabling 22s over 150 games (doubt thats sustainable for me)

-$30/hr at the 33s over 45 games mixed with the 22s (hope thats not sustainable.

[lorinda]

Are you as strong as Tim M?

Lori

[The Yugoslavian]

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Are you as strong as Tim M?

Lori

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I don't know who Tim M is but yes, curtains is almost surely a stronger chess player and it's probably not that close.

Curtains is a top 100 U.S. caliber player (I bet he'd crack top 50 if he just concentrated mainly on chess). Tim M could be very, very, very, very good at chess and not be on his level.

Curtains sister is close to as strong as he is (and is on the short list for best U.S. female player).

I'd be extremely surprised if a there was a stronger chess player than curtains who posted frequently.

Yugoslav

[iMsoLucky0]

I am right at 250 an hour 6 tabling the 215s through about 300 of them. With rakeback it comes out to like 275 an hour. I will be glad if I can keep my hourly rate above 200 for the long haul.

But I am one of the winning players that curtains was talkinga about. I have some serious holes in my game that I need to address, but I am still definitely beating the games.

[Phil Van Sexton]

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Are you as strong as Tim M?

Lori

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I don't know who Tim M is but yes, curtains is almost surely a stronger chess player and it's probably not that close.

Curtains is a top 100 U.S. caliber player (I bet he'd crack top 50 if he just concentrated mainly on chess). Tim M could be very, very, very, very good at chess and not be on his level.

Curtains sister is close to as strong as he is (and is on the short list for best U.S. female player).

I'd be extremely surprised if a there was a stronger chess player than curtains who posted frequently.

Yugoslav

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TimM is "about 2200" (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=2429097&page=&view=&s b=5&o=&vc=1) , so Yugo is right (I hate saying that).

[adanthar]

I once went up to 1900 at Yahoo Chess and that really is full of bots and rigged, so I own them both.

Seriously, nice job. I come from a long line of good to very good chess players (being Russian will do that) and it's far harder to be a master, much less GM, chess player than make $300 an hour at poker these days.

[syka16]

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btw piece of advice Number 1 for 2+2 - don't ever listen to anyone because of what they claim their ROI is or because of how well they do. The chances are often good that their sample size is too small and/or they are simply lying.

Also it's very possible to do reasonably well at sit and go's with tremendous flaws in your overall game. Some of this may show up in advice winning posters give. I'm sure I could beat the $33s or $55s (or the $109s or $215s for that matter) making some mistakes over and over again, whereas because of the money I would be winning, I may be fooled into thinking that these mistakes were the correct way to play.

Basically even though I'm doing well I know there are plenty of things that I could improve upon or that I do wrong, and it's probably the same for every other winning poster in this forum. Once you can accurately pinpoint mistakes that "winning" posters make, then you should feel most confident, because a lot of posters that I know win money, have posted things that I feel are completely wrong and I'm pretty sure some of them feel the same way about my posts (They are of course wrong).

In conclusion, someone who has a 15 ROI and a 20 ROI, will often feel just as good about their poker, because they are both winning a hell of a lot of money, especially if 8 tabling. Thus they will both believe they are correct, they will both be obvious winning players, yet one of them will often be wrong about some relatively obvious concepts that cost them those 5 ROI points. However for some people it's hard to try to change when you can 8 table for a riduculous hourly rate.

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I agree. Once you start winning, it's sorta all the same for the majority of players. As for me, I'm making about $30 4-tabling about 2000 22s at pokerroom. I've never had any really crazy losing streaks (like 100 sngs -ROI). My ROI has been in the 30s the whole time so I guess I've just been pretty lucky so far. But perhaps the larger stacks account for it. I'll start 8-tabling before I move up buyins just because I don't think I really play all that well enough for it to make a big difference in my hourly. Plus I'm out of work right now and I don't want to lose too much money finding out that I can't beat anything but a 22. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I can't imagine that I'm losing at the 22s just because I don't have 10,000 but I should reach that total eventually and find out or bust. I'm just happy to have the $15,000 I've made so far with having far from perfect knowledge of the game. It's better than what I make teaching /images/graemlins/frown.gif

As for higher buyins, it seems that most who play, understand enough to not donate their money on horrible plays (like what goes on in the 22s). It's hard for me to imagine how those games are beatable although I'm told they are. I guess you don't need to pass a test to play high buyins and there may be enough fish to make them profitable but I just have this idea in my head that an expert doesn't have enough of an edge against pretty good players to cover the rake.

[microbet]

You're Canadian right? Tax situation is better for gamblers up there isn't it?

[Apathy]

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Most can only make about 200-300 an hour against him, but I know all the holes in his game and thus exploit them perfectly.

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Good thing I'm such a luckbox or I might have actually lost a game to you. /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[dfscott]

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I think you could fit two or three more choices between zero and ten dollars. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Yep, I wish you had so I didn't have to say I was breakeven/losing.

[Apathy]

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You're Canadian right? Tax situation is better for gamblers up there isn't it?

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Yes, yes it is. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[DonButtons]

$200 sngs: $100/hr 4-tabling (sets of 4 per hr) over 1.5k sngs...with rakeback (443 running at 1.02% roi, and 215 running at 27% roi under different screen names just to point out to how swingy these are and if you think 300 gives you a good sample size your in for a treat, I think 1000 is too little also so take this lightly...)

Im one of those players who prob. started off right in the $200s after scoring big in multis, but I learned from some good sngers, but I did a lot of learning by myself. But I also think its easy to play sngs well in your mind when your running good. For example, you might not be realizing that your making lots of mistakes and since your running very good, you dont adapt to it instead of fixing it...thats why without like 2000-5000 sngs, #s posted here should be just taken as who's running the best for that short period of time...

[theredpill5]

F U C K you 1C5 . F U C K Y O U .