Pokertracker Early level stats

[Voltron87]

What are your PT stats for the early levels? Where it says "15/30", etc. (i assume that means 15 is the bb).

What is your bb/100 and how would you characterize your play (weak tight, i fold aq late, or more taggy, i play more hands). Just curious as to how everyone else stacks up against me. i'll post mine when i get back from dinner.

thanks for anyone who does this.

[oxymoron]

Dinner? I'm on the west coast so I just got done with lunch not that long ago (okay so I work a late shift). I just bought Poker Tracker about two weeks ago and with school and work don't play enough to have meaningful information. I am interested to see how other players stats are. I do like that I can review an entire tournament and also the trouble hands that I am loosing chips on. I can't wait until when I have enough of a history to obtain better information though.

How often do you go through Poker Tracker and try and find leaks in your game?

[Voltron87]

For level one I have a BB won/ hand of .009 and a pf raise % of around 3%.

I really don't know what to make of these stats and was wondering what other peoples' are.

[Voltron87]

I don't think that pokertracker is as helpful for SNGs as it is for ring, for example, if you have 63o and push against someone who folds 99% of the time but has AA then you lose 3000 chips, it will be skewed. Things like that will come out a little wrong.

If you import all your summaries it will autmatically calculate your ROI and give you a table of when you finished 1st, 2nd, 9th, etc, which is helpful.

[dfscott]

Not much of a sample size (only 6K hands ranging from the 11s to the 33s) but here it is:

VP$IP: 8.7
VP$ISB: 22.01 (due to the cheap cost from the SB at PP)
FSBtS: 90
FBBtS: 93.33
Steals: 8.6
WT$WSF: 26.99
BB/hand: 0.07
WTSD: 19.16
WT$SD: 63.38
PFR: 2.63

I play tightly on level one (AM strategy for the most part), except I almost always limp any PP from any position (except in LP where I'll raise the middle ones). Never play small suited aces or suited connectors except for the occaisional KQs late.

[Voltron87]

I actually mean a bb/hand of .09. My vpip is 8%. These are only for about 60 tourneys, the last three days, my pt got wiped out along with everything else on one of my harddrives so I'm starting from scratch. In 2-3 weeks I'll probably make a better organized post with more stats. this is kind of on the fly.

[Mr_Gordon]

I'm at .02 for bb won/hand and pf raise % of 2.56. This is just 900 hands however cause I had to reformat my cpu and reinstall PT.

[DasLeben]

Here are my stats for 10/15 (only 1,875 hands):

VP$IP: 9.01
VP$ISB: 23.50
FSBtS: 80.00
FBBtS: 66.67
Att. Steals: 5.26
W$WSF: 21.96
BB/Hand: 0.09
WTSD: 21.18
W$SD: 59.26
PFR: 1.97

I play a pretty weak-tight game at this level. I limp PPs from all positions (however I've been starting to cut back on 22-55 from EP). If I get a big hand (AA-QQ, AK), I bring it in for a raise. Very standard and straightforward play here.

[Phil Van Sexton]

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VP$IP: 8.7

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[Voltron87]

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VP$IP: 8.7

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whats so crazy about this? is this a dfs specific thing or what? i am completely out to sea in terms of pokertracker stats, so that's why i made the thread.

[DasLeben]

I'm interested in hearing about this too, since my stats are pretty comparable to dfscott's.

[curtains]

PT stats after my first 1400 tourneys 8 tabling (about 13k hands for 10-15 blind level)

VPIP - 13.35 pfr - 2.99

My vpip goes down to 10.5 in level 2 and 10.1 in level 3, however my PFR in level 2 is 4.4 and is 7.3 in level 3.


- Note that these are stats for 1k chip games-

[Phil Van Sexton]

VP$IP: 18.42
VP$ISB: 51.96
BB/hand: 0.09
WTSD: 21
WT$SD: 52
PFR: 4.8
postflop AF: 1.81

[Madd]

A while back I posted a similar question about the pokertracker stats in the different levels. Unfortunately I got no reply. Anyway, here are my stats for the 50s (1k stack).

Lev VPIP PFR
1 14.26 2.79
2 12.62 3.58
3 11.43 5.86
4 14.29 11.23
5 21.10 17.11
6 29.80 23.56
7 39.29 31.72
8 36.73 28.32
9 43.29 34.15

(Disclaimer: I lost money at the 50s and am back in the 30s, however I was a small winner in the first levels)

Best,
M

[Phil Van Sexton]

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VP$IP: 8.7

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whats so crazy about this? is this a dfs specific thing or what? i am completely out to sea in terms of pokertracker stats, so that's why i made the thread.

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I'd just never seen a stat like that before. I've mostly seen VPIP stats for limit holdem, and even the rocks are at 13%+.

In addition, the SB is 2/3rds of a bet and I just figured everyone completed that 100% of the time. The SB alone would give you maybe 4% in these passive games.

I don't mean to judge. If it is working for you, great. I just found these stats shocking.

I had heard that people were tight, but I didn't really believe it, or didn't believe anyone had to discipline to actually maintain this kind of number.

My stats are only for less than 4000 hands, so just ignore my bb/hand number due to sample size. I've really only been keeping good stats for the last few months.

My vpip # is pretty accurate though. I like implied odds.
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[wuwei]

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VP$IP = 14.04%
PFR = 3%
VP$ISB = 46.98%
Att to steal blinds = 10.78%
Won T$ WSF = 26.74%
bb/100 = .05
WtSD = 20.28%
WT$@SD = 56%

[Voltron87]

No judgement taken.

I've gone through a very tight phase, when I started 8 tabling everything got really hectic, so when I had marginal hands I just sort of went "forget it just fold". I can see the mindset that people get into, folding is easy, and a lot of players don't know how to play situations that aren't "you have an overpair, get all in" or "you have tptk, bet a lot." Once you start folding these and multitabling it gets easy to ignore all the situations that aren't crystal clear.

[Phil Van Sexton]

Don't you guys play pairs?

Here are my vpip for pairs.
aa: 100%
kk: 100
qq: 100
jj: 96
tt: 79
99: 73
88: 80
77: 84
66: 79
55: 75
44: 80
33: 65
22: 45

Again, small sample.

For small pairs (66-22), I'm winning 0.94 bb/hand over 76 hands.

TT-77 is +0.26 over 53 hands.

[Voltron87]

my vpip for pairs is similar. bb/hand is very good with them. they are not the hands i am not playing which you are.

[Phil Van Sexton]

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my vpip for pairs is similar. bb/hand is very good with them. they are not the hands i am not playing which you are.

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Here are all my hands. You must be missing the Axs hands and connectors that I feel the need to play.

I just realized that I'm butchering JJ (note that I didn't reply to that huge JJ thread today).
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Hand Count $/Hand VPIP PFR
AA 19 333.42 100% 95%
KK 19 240.53 100% 95%
QQ 17 192.65 100% 100%
AJs 6 -5.83 100% 0%
A6s 8 -33.75 100% 13%
JJ 24 -94.04 96% 71%
AKs 11 189.09 91% 45%
AKo 29 77.97 90% 66%
ATs 9 4.44 89% 22%
A8s 9 167.78 89% 22%
77 13 16.15 85% 15%
KQs 11 5.00 82% 18%
QJs 5 -28.00 80% 0%
44 15 151.67 80% 0%
88 15 -34.67 80% 13%
TT 14 62.14 79% 43%
66 18 48.33 78% 0%
QTs 9 -42.78 78% 0%
A5s 17 -6.18 76% 12%
55 12 150.00 75% 0%
A3s 12 45.83 75% 17%
99 11 24.00 73% 18%
KJs 11 -64.55 73% 18%
53s 3 -15.00 67% 0%
A9s 9 -53.89 67% 0%
76s 9 -17.78 67% 0%
33 20 -20.50 65% 5%
AQo 25 100.16 64% 40%
A4s 12 -11.25 58% 0%
AJo 32 1.88 53% 31%
65s 14 -39.64 50% 7%
A2s 14 -8.57 50% 7%
J9s 8 -3.75 50% 0%
98s 6 -63.33 50% 0%
A7s 13 9.23 46% 0%
22 11 -21.82 45% 0%
87s 11 -11.82 45% 0%
KQo 35 14.71 43% 14%
KTo 24 20.63 38% 8%
JTs 9 -16.11 33% 11%
97s 6 75.00 33% 0%
T9s 12 105.42 33% 0%
JTo 24 27.50 33% 0%
AQs 6 -45.00 33% 0%
T8s 10 -7.50 30% 0%
KTs 11 5.00 27% 0%
KJo 22 -9.55 27% 0%
Q8s 12 -9.17 25% 0%
K6s 8 5.00 25% 0%
J2s 14 12.14 21% 0%
86s 10 -81.00 20% 0%
K7s 15 -5.00 20% 7%
A8o 33 6.06 18% 6%
54s 11 14.09 18% 0%
QTo 29 -4.83 17% 0%
A7o 36 -9.44 17% 8%
T4s 12 0.00 17% 0%
K4s 6 -5.00 17% 0%
ATo 18 -20.83 17% 0%
72s 12 -11.67 17% 0%
85s 6 -2.50 17% 0%
A9o 32 -4.22 16% 9%
92s 13 -4.62 15% 0%
43s 13 -3.46 15% 0%
83s 13 -2.31 15% 0%
A6o 34 -7.35 15% 3%
Q7s 7 -3.57 14% 0%
K3s 7 14.29 14% 0%
Q9o 36 12.08 14% 0%
A2o 38 -8.16 13% 0%
K8o 39 4.87 13% 0%
J4s 8 29.38 13% 0%
QJo 25 -5.40 12% 0%
J8o 42 -2.62 12% 0%
K9o 35 -6.29 11% 3%
T6s 9 20.56 11% 0%
T8o 36 0.14 11% 0%
82s 9 -6.67 11% 0%
84o 37 -3.38 11% 0%
97o 39 0.00 10% 0%
94o 30 -4.00 10% 0%
94s 10 -4.50 10% 0%
T3s 10 -13.50 10% 0%
76o 31 -12.10 10% 0%
J3o 21 -2.62 10% 0%
K7o 32 17.03 9% 3%
95s 11 -1.36 9% 0%
J3s 11 -2.73 9% 0%
64s 11 -9.55 9% 0%
87o 23 -9.78 9% 0%
42o 35 -5.29 9% 0%
Q6s 12 -1.25 8% 0%
T6o 36 -11.25 8% 0%
T7o 36 -1.67 8% 0%
J2o 24 -2.71 8% 0%
T9o 25 -2.60 8% 0%
K2o 38 -2.24 8% 0%
96s 13 -0.38 8% 0%
Q5o 40 -3.13 8% 0%
T5o 27 -2.96 7% 0%
J9o 27 -2.59 7% 0%
J4o 28 -16.25 7% 0%
T2o 30 -0.67 7% 0%
43o 30 -2.33 7% 0%
K6o 30 -4.50 7% 0%
A5o 30 -1.93 7% 0%
A3o 31 -3.55 6% 0%
85o 32 5.78 6% 0%
Q5s 16 -5.00 6% 0%
95o 32 -1.19 6% 0%
53o 33 -2.88 6% 0%
92o 17 -4.12 6% 0%
J5o 34 -6.76 6% 0%
J7o 35 -20.43 6% 0%
K3o 37 -3.78 5% 0%
54o 39 -2.44 5% 0%
62o 26 -2.31 4% 0%
82o 26 -3.08 4% 0%
Q4o 26 -1.73 4% 0%
98o 28 -2.32 4% 0%
K4o 28 -2.86 4% 0%
73o 28 -2.86 4% 0%
86o 29 0.00 3% 0%
96o 29 -1.90 3% 0%
65o 29 -2.93 3% 0%
72o 29 -4.31 3% 0%
J6o 32 -3.91 3% 0%
93o 33 -3.03 3% 0%
A4o 33 -2.27 3% 0%
64o 34 -7.65 3% 0%
Q7o 37 21.08 3% 0%
63o 38 -1.71 3% 0%
T4o 39 -3.46 3% 0%
Q2o 39 -0.77 3% 0%
T3o 40 -2.38 3% 0%
Q6o 27 -2.41 0% 0%
93s 17 10.00 0% 0%
Q8o 32 -0.31 0% 0%
Q9s 14 -1.07 0% 0%
T2s 10 -2.50 0% 0%
T5s 15 0.00 0% 0%
T7s 6 0.00 0% 0%
K2s 6 -2.50 0% 0%
32o 31 -1.61 0% 0%
K5o 25 -2.40 0% 0%
32s 7 -6.43 0% 0%
42s 10 -27.50 0% 0%
K5s 9 -1.11 0% 0%
J5s 8 -1.25 0% 0%
52o 32 -2.19 0% 0%
52s 4 -6.25 0% 0%
J6s 6 0.00 0% 0%
J7s 3 -3.33 0% 0%
62s 7 -1.43 0% 0%
63s 7 -2.14 0% 0%
J8s 8 23.75 0% 0%
73s 6 -4.17 0% 0%
74o 24 -0.63 0% 0%
K8s 11 -0.91 0% 0%
74s 15 -3.33 0% 0%
75o 22 -2.73 0% 0%
75s 5 -5.00 0% 0%
Q2s 5 -2.00 0% 0%
Q3o 21 -1.90 0% 0%
Q3s 8 0.00 0% 0%
K9s 5 -5.00 0% 0%
83o 30 -2.67 0% 0%
84s 11 -1.36 0% 0%
Q4s 11 -0.91 0% 0%
</pre><hr />

[Newt_Buggs]

bah, I need to get PT so that I can be cool too and post stats with names that I don't understand

[shayneon]

I just got PT recently - 271 Tourneys

Level 1
Hands- 2674
V$IP - 15.86
V$SB - 28.57
BB/Hand - 0.08
WTSD - 18.94
W$@SD - 61.8
PFR - 3.33
Level 1 AF - 1.89
Overall AF - 3.02

I think I'm TAG for SNGs, but for limit games PTG rates me as Tight Neutral
16.41 V$P / 1.46 AF I'm almost one of you moneybags...

[grimel]

For one, my VP$IP 1st level is 42.86% with PFR of 7.86% and overall it's 38.49% and 7.95%.

I am playing limit omaha h/l with those numbers.

By contrast in hold 'em I'm 16.67% VP$IP with a PFR of 16.67% first level changing to 22.25% with PFR of 7.17 overall.

I usually play NL hold 'em. There aren't many PL or NL Omaha h/l games at $5.

[Atropos]

Hands from the 33s:

Hands: 2245
VP$IP: 13.45
VP$ISB: 30.67
Att to steal blinds: 10.53%
Won T$ WSF: 27.44
BB won/hand: 0.10
WTSD: 20.84%
Won T$ at SD: 66.40%
PFR: 2.85%

Is my WT$SD too high?

[DonCaspero]

VPIP just over 20 on level 1 + 2, 23.5 for L3.
PFR 6.5, 9 and 16.4 L1-3
BB/hand 0.1, 0.08, 0.02 L1-3

mostly 215 and 1065s

[dfscott]

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VP$IP: 8.7

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[speechless/]

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whats so crazy about this? is this a dfs specific thing or what? i am completely out to sea in terms of pokertracker stats, so that's why i made the thread.

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I'd just never seen a stat like that before. I've mostly seen VPIP stats for limit holdem, and even the rocks are at 13%+.


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Wow -- I played a fair amount of full-ring limit (around 75K hands), and once I got out of the nano-limits (where it soared as high as 20%), my VP$IP always averaged around 17%. At 3/6, it was as low as 15%. FWIW, I played a Small-stakes Hold'em-style (TAG) strategy.

[Phil Van Sexton]

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VP$IP: 8.7

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[speechless/]

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whats so crazy about this? is this a dfs specific thing or what? i am completely out to sea in terms of pokertracker stats, so that's why i made the thread.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd just never seen a stat like that before. I've mostly seen VPIP stats for limit holdem, and even the rocks are at 13%+.


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Wow -- I played a fair amount of full-ring limit (around 75K hands), and once I got out of the nano-limits (where it soared as high as 20%), my VP$IP always averaged around 17%. At 3/6, it was as low as 15%. FWIW, I played a Small-stakes Hold'em-style (TAG) strategy.

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At 3500 hands of 3/6, I'm at 15% as well with pfr of 9%.

If I only include hands that are at least 8 handed, I'm at 13.62% over 2800 hands.

See, I'm not a maniac. That's why I was so suprised my VPIP is double yours on level 1.

[dfscott]

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Don't you guys play pairs?


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Here are my pairs:
aa: 96 (Don't ask)
kk: 100
qq: 100
jj: 91
tt: 85
99: 80
88: 78
77: 85
66: 87
55: 74
44: 78
33: 81
22: 69

[dfscott]

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Here are all my hands. You must be missing the Axs hands and connectors that I feel the need to play.


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Ah-hah! This is the difference. I don't play these because I so often get priced out of my draws. Maybe I shouldn't worry about that so much and just let implied odds take care of things.

[Phil Van Sexton]

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Here are all my hands. You must be missing the Axs hands and connectors that I feel the need to play.


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Ah-hah! This is the difference. I don't play these because I so often get priced out of my draws. Maybe I shouldn't worry about that so much and just let implied odds take care of things.

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Maybe. I mostly play these in position, so I think I win a good amount just from semi-bluffing or bluffing when it is checked to me. You can also win a modest amount with TP-no kicker if played carefully from position.

Looking at my stats, I am slightly +EV with these hands in my small sample.

Unlike most people, I try to play as many hands as possible, even if my profit is tiny. I don't want to get labeled as a rock and win nothing when I am dealt AA. Nor do I want to be seen as a fold-fold-fold-push-push-push 2+2 weasel that will steal with 32o but fold TT to a steal. I want to blend in as one of the great unwashed that love to limp with A8s. (The difference being that I won't lose my stack when an Ace flops.)

Other people think that "if I fold a lot early, people will respect my pushes later". I don't agree with this, but I won't try to convince anyone of this because I have no proof and I could well be wrong.

[curtains]

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Other people think that "if I fold a lot early, people will respect my pushes later". I don't agree with this, but I won't try to convince anyone of this because I have no proof and I could well be wrong.

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This concept is so absurd it's incredible. I'll be the outspoken one who says that anyone who plays with this in mind in the first 2-3 rounds is being an idiot.

[Phoenix1010]

VPIP- 12.12
VPIP from SB- 44.96
FSBTS- 80
FBBTS- 87.50
ATSB- 3.88
BB/hand- .07
PFR- 2.31

[Phil Van Sexton]

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Other people think that "if I fold a lot early, people will respect my pushes later". I don't agree with this, but I won't try to convince anyone of this because I have no proof and I could well be wrong.

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This concept is so absurd it's incredible. I'll be the outspoken one who says that anyone who plays with this in mind in the first 2-3 rounds is being an idiot.

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I was trying to be diplomatic because I don't have the time to get into this argument today.

I think I first saw it here (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&amp;Number=1575612&amp;page=&amp;view=&amp;s b=5&amp;o=&amp;vc=1), but maybe this view isn't very common.

[curtains]

I'm not even going to get into it, but to think that some idiot playing a $55 sit and go is going to give you credit for a good hand because they saw (note that 95% of players won't even notice that you folded) you fold for 5 chips in the SB, is so ridiculous.

[jgunnip]

My stats for the PS 11s.
sample size is 2000+ hands for each level
10/20
VPIP: 7.68
BB/Hand: .15
PFR: 3.09
15/30
VPIP: 8.17
BB/Hand: .05
PFR: 4.32
25/50
VPIP: 9.54
BB/Hand: .02
PFR: 6.62


I play very tight early on, even at the 25/50 with the larger starting stacks at PS.

[Voltron87]

curtains is correct in this thread. however the opposite can be true. if i see a player playing like a total crackhead who gets lucky and has a 2500 stack later I will give him very little respect. if you start stealing and going all in at 25 50 my the time 100 200 or 150 3 your FE will go down. but you can't really "build up FE".