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Foldarama_City
05-23-2005, 12:07 AM
I seem to be running into a lot of straights with my sets lately. Any thoughts what I should have done??? - I figured there was enough in the pot to call (and enough doubt that no one had str8).

Normal Table No Limit 10.00/20.00
Rake: 2.00
Seat: 1 Me (Dealer)
Seat: 2 XXXXX
Seat: 3 Player 1
Seat: 4 XXXXX
Seat: 5 XXXXX
Seat: 6 Player 2
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OpeningBetRound
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xxxxxxxxxxx : Posts small blind 5.00
Player 1 : Posts big blind 10.00
xxxxxxxxxx : Folds
Player 2 : Calls for 10.00
Me : Raises for 40.00
xxxxxxxxxxx : Folds
Player 1 : Calls for 30.00
Player 2 : Calls for 30.00
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Flop
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Player 1 : Bets 100.00
xxxxxxx : Sits down 0.05
Player 2 : Raises for 200.00
Me : Calls for 200.00
Player 1 : Went all-in 1349.50
Player 2 : Went all-in 468.00
Me : Went all-in 819.50
Player 1 : Receives returned betting money 430.00
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Turn
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River
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Showdown
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Me [ QH, QS, QC, JH, 10D - Three of a Kind ]
Player 1 [ AS, KC, QH, JH, 10D - Straight ]
Player 2 [ JH, JC, 10D, 10S, QH - Two Pair ]
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Result
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Community Cards
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[ JH, QH, 10D, 9C, 3S ]
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Players Cards
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XXXXXXXX [ -, - ]
Player 1 [ AS, KC ]
[ -, - ]
Player 2 [ JC, 10S ]
Me [ QS, QC ]
xxxxxxx [ -, - ]

emil3000
05-23-2005, 07:19 AM
Impossible to read mate. I'd approximate big stack ahs a straight more than 60% of the time. Th thing is, if he has a set, he has to worry about you having AK or QQ too. Second or bottom set isn't a very safe holding on this board. So given those numbers it still is a call, haven't done the exact math but pretty easy call. I might be off on the numbers tho, he might well have the straight more often, and this might swing the decision to a close fold. Small stack also factors into the decision of course. He has to have something that connects with the board, which means he either has a straight or something that takes away som of you outs. This is not good news of course.

EDIT: Make it easier to read and you will get more responses.

Foldarama_City
05-23-2005, 12:12 PM
thanks for the response - i tried to convert with the bison hand converter - it didnt work - is there anything that does prima hands??

NickPoker
05-23-2005, 12:13 PM
Your decision should be based upon needing to pair the board a high percentage of the time (at least 70%, probably more IMO). If the other other player is decent, I don't see anything other than AK he would do this with because he would have to consider the possibility of you having that hand. I guess there is an outside chance he does that with an underset, but that would be bad.

If my math is right you are betting $620 to win $2000. Which means you need to win 31% if the time to make the call correctly. If you all your outs are live (doubtful with 2 callers, probably should knock out a couple) you are approx 35%, knock out a couple you are a little less than 30%. If you factor in a chance 20% chance that the str8 is not out there, and that your hand holds up 95% of the time, if my math is correct you win about 43%. I think this is a call, it only a marginable fold if they turn the cards face up.