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aK13
05-22-2005, 06:12 PM
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 caps</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (11 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: 11 BB

EDIT: Villain is pretty mousey from what I've seen...only about 35 hands, &lt;1 aggro, 5% PFR, 25% VPIP.

EDIT2: The reason why I didn't value bet the river was because I thought I'd only get hands I beat to call.
Klepton
05-22-2005, 06:15 PM
everything was great except you should bet the river

call if raised on the river too.
baronzeus
05-22-2005, 06:15 PM
I would have check raised the flop to see if he 3bets me.
I would have bet the river if he just called my check raise.

That wins an extra 1.5BB if you are winning, and if he 3bets you, you fold the flop, and dont get raised the turn (saving you 0.5BB)
irishpint
05-22-2005, 06:20 PM
i dont think we need to get fancy here, i just think we bet the river.

however what was mentioned about check/raising the river and leading the turn is also fine, if you know your villian well enough to think he'll bet the flop. which such a low agression i like just betting out.
waynethetrain
05-22-2005, 06:41 PM
I don't think this is too bad.

What could MP2 have capped with?

AA-QQ, AK, and maybe TT.

If so, you are losing to everything except AK. MP2 folds that. MP1 was probably on a draw and it's either busted or made. Either way there's no money in it for you by betting. If you gave up anything by not value betting this river, it's not much. I wish this was the most suspect looking hand of my typical session.
Shillx
05-22-2005, 06:43 PM
Meh you should bet the river. The problem with checking is that QQ will bet after you check to him, but he will check with AK or AQ. If you bet your jacks, yeah you might lose to queens, but you might also get called by AK/AQ.
aK13
05-22-2005, 06:49 PM
Do I showdown if raised on the flop? take WA/WB line? or just check/call, check?
mojobluesman
05-22-2005, 07:24 PM
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If you bet your jacks, yeah you might lose to queens, but you might also get called by AK/AQ.

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Who is going to call with AK/AQ?
baronzeus
05-22-2005, 07:29 PM
Theres no way he's going to raise after check/calling all the way down, so you might as well bet.
dozer
05-22-2005, 07:34 PM
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If you bet your jacks, yeah you might lose to queens, but you might also get called by AK/AQ.

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Who is going to call with AK/AQ?

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you will be surprised how often this happens, people call you down with these hands thinking you are bluffing and it's going to be a chop.
macdaddy991
05-22-2005, 08:11 PM
I'de tend to bet the river here, AA,KK,QQ are possible but so are many hands that you dominate.
badbill7
05-22-2005, 08:19 PM
i think river bet is no brainer any pockets above you would probably try for a reraise at some point especially since someone capped preflop.
Duerig
05-22-2005, 10:49 PM
I like the river check, given your read. You are not getting called by AK here, but you are getting called by QQ.