16000 players

[djshawk]

About a month ago I switched from the mirco limit ring games to the micro SNGs.

I've read tons of posts here and have learned lots and lots. You are all great.

But one thing which annoys me more than anything is the lack of understanding of how different it is for us European players to take on Party when America is sleeping. I see it time and again "it doesn't matter what time you play the 10+1s they are still full of terrible players". This just is not true. People will not call all-ins with AXs & worse preflop, people will not call to the river with middle pair, people will not just give you their stack. It is a completely different game.

I'm not saying the players are especially good, but they are probably 5 times better than the average Party monkey you guys get to play against every day.

The other night I stayed up until 1am, which was 8pm ET and there were just over 50000 people on Party. The difference between the play was incredible, what you read on this forum again and again was there too see, I can only salivate at what its like a few hours later when the rest of America joins in.

This morning I opened up Party and there were less than 15000 people playing, it took well over a minute to fill a 10+1 table, at level 4 there was still a full ring of players.

I really dont know why I'm posting this, but if you do read it and are one of the people who slate the level of players not on your timezone, please just get up super early one day and see for yourself what its like playing when there are less than 20k people logged on. I'm sure you will change your opinion.

I guess I'm just insanely jelous /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Nick B.]

I actually do better in the morning hours when there are less than 20k players on. Theusher will attest to this. I think it is just a different type of game. You need to adjust to it.

[Atropos]

"I guess I'm just insanely jelous"

It's exactly the same for me. I often play when there are around 9-10.000 players online, and it takes around 5-6 minutes to get 4 sit&gos running. Then there are 7-8 players in level 4/5 still there, playing an aggressive bubble strategy that is not so easy to beat.

Probably that's the reason why the advice for Europeans on this forum is so bad. Most of the normal players couldnt beat the games if they werent so crazy soft to beat, or if they didnt bonus whore.

[shejk]

Perhaps the difference is smaller at higher stakes, but I don't agree to your post.

And the advice for europeans isn't bad here. That's just bull.

[syka16]

I'm moving to Moscow... nice to have regular 9-5 playing hrs

[byronkincaid]

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This just is not true. People will not call all-ins with AXs & worse preflop,

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Well they do in the $50s, I had KK beaten by Ace rag 5 times yesterday. Maybe you should move up some levels if thats what you want /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Moonsugar]

I play a lot in the morning US time (8am and on) and there are a lot of Europeans playing then. There are many mistakes being made by the players in the morning, they are just not "as bad" as the ones by players inthe evening. European players, on average,are much more aggressive than Americans with bets and raises, but their calling standards seem much better.

[stanzee]

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This just is not true. People will not call all-ins with AXs & worse preflop,

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Well they do in the $50s, I had KK beaten by Ace rag 5 times yesterday. Maybe you should move up some levels if thats what you want /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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But isn't this what you want... Ace rag calling your KK all in preflop? I too live in Europe and completely agree with the original post. Absolutely no doubt that stakes up to 50+5 are substantially easier to beat later on at night. I regulary stay up past 12am (7pm ET) for the juicier games.

[shayneon]

Pacific time is great. I get home from work at 4:30, (7:30 EST) perfect for peak hours. If I want to get up early on the weekend and play, (7-8 AM) it is aready mid morning on the east coast. I haven't played with less than 30K in a long time.

[Madd]

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I too live in Europe and completely agree with the original post. Absolutely no doubt that stakes up to 50+5 are substantially easier to beat later on at night. I regulary stay up past 12am (7pm ET) for the juicier games.

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[microbet]

Unless you know they are Europeans, why would you assume this?

Couldn't it just be that morning players in America are better than evening players in America?

[Patriarch]

I've just resigned myself to working at night and sleeping until lunchtime. It's a hard life.

[Blarg]

I think a lot of American professionals play during the daytime, whereas at night you get your recreational players. That alone is going to make a critical difference. A smaller pool of players with a much higher percentage of pro's in it means you're going to have tougher games.

[raptor517]

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I actually do better in the morning hours when there are less than 20k players on. Theusher will attest to this. I think it is just a different type of game. You need to adjust to it.

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yea dude, i ALWAYS see you on when i am wrapping up my session. im assuming you only play 4 tables though. those games at that time take FOREVER to get off the ground. my strategy isnt necessarily to play PERFECT poker, but to play enough tables of GOOD poker that my $/hr increases enough to make up for it. but yea, it IS a different game early in the morning. holla

[Voltron87]

everyone is complaining about the early games and how the games are getting harder, i suggest someone start a support group for you guys.

[beeyjay]

I play almost exclusively before 8 pm EST. Yesterday (saturday) I played a couple hours and dropped 10 buyins. I mean variance happens but this was something altogether different. People were calling me down with flush draws when I bet the pot or went all in the whole way. middle pair was a monster to these guys. 10 high on the bubble was good enough for the bb to call my steal. Thuis was at the 55 and the 109s mind you. I'm not complainiing as I fully realize this is beneficial longterm but during the day you just don't see things like this and I didn't make the proper adjustments during my first couple sets of games. After I saw what was going on I realized I could practially fold into the money. I think during the day their tighter but it just requires different tactics to take advantage of this. Those same tactics don't really work against the maniacs at night and on weekends and vice versa.

[Voltron87]

the games are so good...


***** Hand History for Game 2090006466 *****
NL Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:12441373 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Sunday, May 22, 20:22:01 EDT 2005
Table Table 14945 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: goldenthroat ( $800 )
Seat 3: onceranA5pac ( $170 )
Seat 4: hydroxyzine ( $775 )
Seat 5: bock73 ( $875 )
Seat 6: joe_dumars ( $725 )
Seat 7: Drakken9 ( $405 )
Seat 8: mikepooley ( $1625 )
Seat 9: GypsyHghside ( $1265 )
Seat 10: UAHOLE ( $1360 )
Trny:12441373 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hydroxyzine [ As Kh ]
onceranA5pac is all-In [170]
>You have options at Table 13785 Table!.
hydroxyzine is all-In [775]
bock73 folds.
joe_dumars folds.
Drakken9 folds.
>You have options at Table 14435 Table!.
>You have options at Table 13785 Table!.
mikepooley folds.
GypsyHghside folds.
UAHOLE is all-In [1350]
onceranA5pac: call triple me up
goldenthroat folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, Qs, Th ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kc ]
onceranA5pac shows [ 9c, 9d ] a pair of nines.
hydroxyzine shows [ As, Kh ] a pair of kings.
UAHOLE shows [ 7h, Ah ] high card ace.
UAHOLE wins 585 chips from side pot #2 with high card ace.
hydroxyzine wins 1210 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of kings.
hydroxyzine wins 525 chips from the main pot with a pair of kings.
onceranA5pac finished in ninth place.

[Voltron87]

another gem

***** Hand History for Game 2090106383 *****
NL Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:12441373 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Sunday, May 22, 20:40:44 EDT 2005
Table Table 14945 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 4: hydroxyzine ( $1495 )
Seat 5: bock73 ( $2620 )
Seat 6: joe_dumars ( $1155 )
Seat 8: mikepooley ( $1415 )
Seat 9: GypsyHghside ( $1315 )
Trny:12441373 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hydroxyzine [ Qs Qd ]
GypsyHghside folds.
hydroxyzine raises [250].
bock73 folds.
joe_dumars folds.
mikepooley calls [150].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, Kh, Ad ]
mikepooley checks.
hydroxyzine bets [400].
mikepooley is all-In [1165]
>You have options at Table 14889 Table!.
hydroxyzine calls [765].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jd ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6d ]
hydroxyzine shows [ Qs, Qd ] three of a kind, queens.
mikepooley shows [ 8s, As ] a pair of aces.
hydroxyzine wins 2880 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, queens.
mikepooley finished in fifth place.
mikepooley has left the table.

[ur2god]

im playing right now 5AM EST, there is some horrid
horrid play going on