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beset7
05-21-2005, 03:13 PM
Decided to play a quick 10k at 1/2 6m before moving up from 3/6 full to 5/10 6m. I think this is going to save me some money later /images/graemlins/grin.gif Anyway: Is this a standard call down? Both OPs have 50/18+ after 100 hands or so...

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Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, MP calls, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, Button folds.

Flop: (9 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (20.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 26.50 BB

spydog
05-21-2005, 05:45 PM
First of all, these aren't 2 maniacs. If someone has 50/18 stats then they are probably raising somewhat properly preflop (as most TAGs will have a PFR of 15-18%), but limping too much. A shorthanded maniac will have stats like 65/35%+.

This is a tough hand. There are all kinds of draws that will raise (and 3-bet) here on the flop, yet you are likely ahead at this stage. I think I call the 3-bet and hope for a brick turn. When the turn bricks, I think I go for a checkraise against MP. If 3-bet then it's probably time to fold since you are likely drawing dead.

Isura
05-21-2005, 08:07 PM
With UTG waking up on the river, I think I can find a fold on that river.

beset7
05-22-2005, 02:12 AM
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With UTG waking up on the river, I think I can find a fold on that river.

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Thanks spydog and isura. This is something I need to work on as I almost always call the river with any kind of hand when the pot is this big. Would you say this is a situation where one can be sure that they are saving two BBs by folding the river? People show down the strangest hands in these games.