Is this pathetically weak?

[ekky]

PokerStars Game #1737085945: Tournament #7944155, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2005/05/21 - 00:42:55 (ET)
Table '7944155 57' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: gamblervpi (10810 in chips)
Seat 2: nines&twos (18140 in chips)
Seat 3: Rastivious (47045 in chips)
Seat 4: Mister Teeny (41070 in chips)
Seat 5: DAVEMAZUSA (25800 in chips)
Seat 6: tazkerin (33865 in chips)
Seat 7: Keesler23 (4965 in chips)
Seat 8: KGB597 (5930 in chips)
Seat 9: daddyeo (33416 in chips)
gamblervpi: posts the ante 50
nines&twos: posts the ante 50
Rastivious: posts the ante 50
Mister Teeny: posts the ante 50
DAVEMAZUSA: posts the ante 50
tazkerin: posts the ante 50
Keesler23: posts the ante 50
KGB597: posts the ante 50
daddyeo: posts the ante 50
DAVEMAZUSA: posts small blind 300
tazkerin: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mister Teeny [Td Th]
Keesler23: folds
KGB597: folds
daddyeo: folds
gamblervpi: folds
nines&twos: folds
Rastivious: raises 1200 to 1800
Mister Teeny: calls 1800
DAVEMAZUSA: folds
tazkerin: folds
*** FLOP *** [6c 2h 9h]
Rastivious: bets 6600
Mister Teeny: folds
Rastivious collected 4950 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4950 | Rake 0
Board [6c 2h 9h]


I hated:

a) the overbet
b) the fact that he could bust me.

No read.. but it just felt like an overpair trying to protect vs flush draw.

Think I mite have made an error here..

[DemonDeac]

any reads? on villain? on you? on table?

[ekky]

no real reads on villain.. my mistake was probably not re-raising pre flop.. I had no clue at all about his hand.

However, I didn't really want to get too involved pre flop, because from the little I had seen, the villain had not got our of line, so I had to give some respect to his raise.

Another thing that niggled at me was the fact that I knew that he knew that I could cripple him, so I figured he would need some big armory to make that oversized bet.

I had only shown big hands so far, flopped set and AA.

[tiger7210]

I don't think this it terribly weak. Against an unknown who I haven't seen get out of line I would habe no problem giving him credit for JJ/QQ/KK's here with his bet.

He played it like I would if I had an overpair with the flush draw on board against a player that could cripple me.

You have plenty of chips and you don't have to win every hand. Sometimes making the tough laydown even when you may have the best hand is what ultimately will win you the tournament.

Even if he has AK/AQ/AJs to the flush you're still in bad shape. I see too many players over play TT's in this same spot. I think folding here is not a bad play at all.

[ekky]

yeah, that is what was going through my mind.

I just hate playing 10/10 to a cutoff raise, basically just for set value.

Somehow it feels weak.

[CardSharpCook]

wow, this is pathetically weak.

I had someone fold trip sevens against me today because he thought I had to have made the boat. 778 flop, Q turn, K river. He had 7T, I had AK. He bet 100 on the river into a 300 chip bot. I went AI over the top for 700. He folded, IN A REBUY TOURNEY, though he had more chips than me. However, at least his fold was read-based (I played extremely tight). Your fold was just stupid/weak.

Oh, saw a short stack min-raise for 400 with 1100 behind. Another short-stack went AI for 1600. First short-stack folded and flipped AKo. Was that you? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

CSC

[tiger7210]

If this is so weak, CSC, what's your line here please.

[CardSharpCook]

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If this is so weak, CSC, what's your line here please.

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I'm fine with the CCPF. Obviously, calling on the flop. I just don't see getting away from TT on this flop. But if you are going to fold on this flop, you have no business calling PF. At least, that is my take on this hand.

CSC

[tiger7210]

Can you explain a little further here.

My thinking is I have no real solid read and he overbets the pot which very well could be an overpair protecting against the flush draw. It could be a steal that caught top pair. It could be 2 overs to the flush.

So if I reraise that's about 1/2 my chips in the pot.

If I cold call again I have no info and if an overcard or flush card hits I still have no idea where i stand.

If I reraise and he comes over the top all in I can't call with a pair of TT's when I currently have 60-70 BB's.

Do I really want to risk so much on a pair of TT's at this poaint when my stack is so deep in relation to the blinds against someone who can bust me.

I really think this hand is an excellent hand for discussion as this type of situation comes up fairly frequently in rebuys with deep stacks.

[CardSharpCook]

Forgive me, I did not notice how deep the stack were. In this new light, I guess I like the fold on the flop, but I know take issue with PF. PF I would triple his raise. Find out if he has a raising hand or a hand he's willing to die with. I'd rather not weakly play a nice holding like TT, not knowing if it is relatively safe to value bet a friendly board. So, I reraise PF, and bet the flop - folding to a raise. But I think you are right, tiger and ekky, you can fold this flop.

CSC

[tiger7210]

I agree the big mistake in the hand was not repopping it PF and taking the lead in the hand.

I would be more inclinded to flat call here if the raise was from EP against a tight player but like you stated coming from a big stack on the button a reraise is in order.