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Scuba Chuck
05-21-2005, 12:38 AM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t1630)
BB (t3520)
UTG (t560)
Button (t2290)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t560 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t260.

elonkra
05-21-2005, 12:56 AM
hell no

adanthar
05-21-2005, 12:59 AM
I push this all day and twice on Sunday.

Pepsquad
05-21-2005, 01:08 AM
ABSOLUTELY. UTG knows his money is going in either on this hand or the next. Meaning his pushing requirements should include all top 50% hands. A6o beats the majority of top 50% hands and BB can't call without a premium hand after you come over the top..

The Yugoslavian
05-21-2005, 01:40 AM
I think the better question is, 'Should I be pushing this?'

The answer would be, 'yes!'

Yugoslav

J-Lo
05-21-2005, 03:07 PM
Hrm, seems people like to push this. Why? Is there another thread that can be linked which elaborates on this? Is your goal to move up in chips, so when bubble bursts you're in contention for a W?

If u win, u have 2100 chips, but if u lose you're at 900. Is it okay to have ~850 because u know u HAVE to push any 2 the very next hand, into current shortstack's BB? What is the

The Yugoslavian
05-21-2005, 03:15 PM
The problem with calling is that the big stack has superior position to you on the flop....and can exploit your call very easily (and unknowingly).

Oh, you also have tons of FE vs. the calling big stack pre-flop - if he wants to play his hand for a significant portion of his stack he'll raise - so it's better to just push anyway for that reason.

Yugoslav

elonkra
05-21-2005, 11:18 PM
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The problem with calling is that the big stack has superior position to you on the flop....and can exploit your call very easily (and unknowingly).

Oh, you also have tons of FE vs. the calling big stack pre-flop - if he wants to play his hand for a significant portion of his stack he'll raise - so it's better to just push anyway for that reason.

Yugoslav

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Folding is simply not an option here?

11t
05-21-2005, 11:20 PM
Not if you are playing for first

elonkra
05-21-2005, 11:22 PM
I think Lorinda had a good devil's advocate post to the "playing for first" theory recently. Don't know if it applies here, but I like folding this. FE is everything, right?

AA suited
05-22-2005, 11:29 AM
since utg is going to be blinded out by posting the blinds next, i put UTG's pushing standards as low as:
any pair, any ace, any king, any suited queen

it's +ev to call. bb will probably also call. twice the chance to eliminate utg and be itm. check/fold down the river.

of course if utg wins, you're in trouble /images/graemlins/smile.gif but then thats why its called gambling /images/graemlins/smile.gif

RobGW
05-22-2005, 12:07 PM
FE is a strong weapon but its not everything. Sometimes you have to make the correct call. A6 is likely a favorite over villians desperation push. Hero has to call $410 for a chance to win $1010 giving him 2.5 odds. His hand is way better than that. Giving up that big of an +EV is just bad imo.

Maulik
05-22-2005, 12:26 PM
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I think Lorinda had a good devil's advocate post to the "playing for first" theory recently. Don't know if it applies here, but I like folding this. FE is everything, right?

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if anyone knows where this is please link it, having ahard time finding it