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Cumulonimbus

05-21-2005, 12:36 AM

Both opponents are TAGish. On the flop I put MP2 on a flush draw and UTG on overcards with a draw, possibly JTs. I would have bet the turn but was multitabling and missed the fact that I had the Ace of clubs. I think a fold was a good line after my flop reads and the turn play, but I was being attacked with beeps.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG raises, 2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP2 raises, MP3 folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: (18.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 20.50 BB

brazilio

05-21-2005, 12:39 AM

wtf, ignore whatever I said. Fold the river.

Cumulonimbus

05-21-2005, 12:40 AM

Moments later, this hand came up against a tight, semi-aggressive (UTG) and a loose passive. I am pleased with this line with my reads.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, MP3 calls, Button folds, BB folds, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (9.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG bets, Hero folds, MP3 calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB

mr pink

05-21-2005, 12:48 AM

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Fold the river.

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hard. core.

Nick C

05-21-2005, 01:39 AM

It's a tough spot on the turn, because I think UTG has one of the following: (1) a flush, (2) an aggressively played medium pair, or (3) a flopped boat that he led into the PFR, allowing you to raise and drive away his action. I don't think (3) is too likely, so that leaves the flush and medium pair as the strongest possibilities, I think.

Against a flush, I kind of want to call and try to fill up. However, we don't know if MP3 just made a flush that he will raise with or not. Also, while UTG could have, say, J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif T /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, it's also quite possible he has a suited A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif (such as A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 4 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif), and, if so, that leaves one less available ace out for us.

I don't give up with aces very easily, so I probably would have called, based on the combined hopes that I'm still ahead somehow and that I still have four outs if I'm not.

I certainly wouldn't feel very comfortable, though. And since UTG shows no signs of slowing down, it doesn't look like I can benefit from being ahead (those times that I am) without also calling unimproved on the river with a probable losing hand.

Willluck

05-21-2005, 02:44 AM

didn't see the you had the A /images/graemlins/club.gif

Willluck

05-21-2005, 02:48 AM

fold the river

Cumulonimbus

05-21-2005, 04:21 AM

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I would have bet the turn but was multitabling and missed the fact that I had the Ace of clubs.

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rmarotti

05-21-2005, 05:12 AM

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Fold the river.

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hard. core.

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oreogod

05-21-2005, 06:48 AM

I hope u were beat in that second hand. Im pretty sure u were in order of 1.Flush 2.Trips/FH 3. Straight (maybe)...I like the 1st two possibilities more though.