Bluffed. Got raised. Bluffed again.

[Jman28]

What do you guys think of this hand?

My only read on the guy is that a short while ago, he was in the SB (3 handed) and min-raised to 800. I pushed to 1600, and he thought a while and folded to the last 800 chips. He had plenty of stack then too.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (3 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t3765)
Hero (t3600)
Button (t2635)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t600) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t350</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t700</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1500</font>

[TheNoodleMan]

I a very sick way, I like it. The flop is a something only a BB could love. When you bet it, it looks like a steal, so he makes a re-steal. Your re-raise signals one of 2 things: A genuine hand or severly enlarged testicles. No way he can continue without a real hand. If he blasts over the top of you, you just blew off half your stack, but you know where you stand. In the unlikely event that he flat calls, you are in position to check it down.
on a related topic, do you have to buy custom tailored pants to fit those things in?

[Big Limpin']

yer hand was better p/f than on the flop.
when he goes 700...i supsect my hand is the anti-bomb, and muck.

[lastchance]

Against a tough, thinking player, this is a brilliant play. Against a moron, this is a stupid play.

[jcm4ccc]

The whole thing is pointless:

1. You have plenty of chips, and plenty of time. No need to get fancy here.

2. "My only read" You better have more of a read on the guy before trying something like this.

3. What are you trying to represent? Trip 2s? Your betting doesn't look like you have trip 2s.

You should probably stop reading Gigabet's posts.

[curtains]

It's not as terrible as people are saying, but the situation needs to be perfect. First of all most good players will bet out on any flop there without a hand, as they know that the large majority of partypoker players at the $109s will fold like 70+% of the time to a 400 chip bet.

Only a real expert would check, knowing that you are a good player and will bet 100% of the time against a random partypoker idiot, and thus can check raise you 100% of the time and expect an automatic profit from it. If you really suspect this is happening, your play isn't at all terrible. However it'd require a large degree of sophistication from your opponent, which isn't often found at the $109 tables.

[jcm4ccc]

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If you really suspect this is happening . . .

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He has no reads on his opponent. He made the guy fold once. He's trying to do it again.

They are not even on the bubble, so the pressure to fold is not that great.

Trying to be too clever, I think.

[Jman28]

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1. You have plenty of chips, and plenty of time. No need to get fancy here.

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This isn't a very good reason to not make a play. If the play is +EV, I should make it. If it isn't, I shouldn't.

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2. "My only read" You better have more of a read on the guy before trying something like this.

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Sorry I didn't. Also, my only read does show that he is capable of raising without a hand and folding to a reraise.

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3. What are you trying to represent? Trip 2s? Your betting doesn't look like you have trip 2s.

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What would trip 2's look like?

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You should probably stop reading Gigabet's posts.

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I disagree. I think I learn a lot from them. I didn't have his posts in mind at all while making this play.

[curtains]

Please note that I wouldn't do this. However against some opponent's it may be the best way to play, but almost surely not in these games.

[ReDeYES88]

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I a very sick way, I like it. The flop is a something only a BB could love. When you bet it, it looks like a steal, so he makes a re-steal. Your re-raise signals one of 2 things: A genuine hand or severly enlarged testicles. No way he can continue without a real hand. If he blasts over the top of you, you just blew off half your stack, but you know where you stand. In the unlikely event that he flat calls, you are in position to check it down.
on a related topic, do you have to buy custom tailored pants to fit those things in?

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. . hats off to your uber descriptive post. . ..who's your tailor?

[lastchance]

Let me sum this up for you: Your opponents suck WAY too much to make this play. If you're up against Phil Ivey, you've got to make this play. If you're up against Gigabet, you've got to make this play. YOU'RE NOT.

Playing at my levels, even if you have 75% of the chips in play on the bubble, you can't push with any 2. Why? You're opponents will make crap calls that is bad for them. They are not capable of laying down A2, let alone AK.

This is the same thing here. Your opponents are not check-raise bluffing and then folding to your reraise often. It would require someone to have a read that you're good, and also be able to pull the trigger like that.

You need a damn good read that this guy is capable of check-raising with crap though. I don't think that one previous hand stands as good enough. To make this play, you need your opponent to be thinking on the third/fourth level, and that's just so insanely hard.

[Jman28]

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To make this play, you need your opponent to be thinking on the third/fourth level, and that's just so insanely hard.

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I'm not so sure about the play, which was why I posted. But I disagree with this statement.

All he has to be able to do is check without a hand. Then when I bet, think to himself, "I'll bet he didn't hit that flop and is stealing. I'll raise, and if he was, he'll fold. I get chips. Chips = good."

I just don't see why it takes a pro to make the play he did without a hand. In addition, there are not many hands that are helped by that flop, making a his bluff even more likely.