Weak flop fold with JJ on a KK6 flop?

[A_C_Slater]

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UTG is conservative post flop and I've seen him do bizarre things like limp in CO with AKs after 2 limpers and then cap when it comes back to him 3bet by the SB.

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (13 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero folds....

[btspider]

i think i'd call.

[@bsolute_luck]

good question. ps: any reads on MP and why he is cold calling a 3-bet? meh... i'd probably reraise and see what happens.

[2+2 wannabe]

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i think i'd call.

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raise or fold - i raise and fold to a 3-bet

[A_C_Slater]

Sorry. MP3 is a total donk and will play any hand for a raise or even a 3bet that he would limp in with anyway.

[istewart]

Folding to a 3-bet wouldn't be good.

[davelin]

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i think i'd call.

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raise or fold - i raise and fold to a 3-bet

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That would be like a 18:1 call on your 2-outer.

[2+2 wannabe]

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Folding to a 3-bet wouldn't be good.

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man i'm out of it - no it wouldn't

folding to a turn bet after calling the 3-bet is

come on 4:30!

[Stuey]

I would call. If it is not raised on the flop and a A or Q does not come on the turn I check/raise the turn.

[istewart]

Who are you check/raising? Likely bettor is going to be right in front of you.

[@bsolute_luck]

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Who are you check/raising? Likely bettor is going to be right in front of you.

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i'm assuming he simply means raising the turn on an overcard blank /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Stuey]

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Who are you check/raising? Likely bettor is going to be right in front of you

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Yah I raise if UTG bets the turn. But if he slows down I check it might get checked through and be cheap. If a late player bets and UTG does not raise I do! Make sence? I explain it badly. Plus good chance I am wrong. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Marquis]

I think you're screwed here but I want to peel one because:

1) You're pretty close to being able to make it up if you spike your card anyway.

2) He just might check the turn, even if he has AA or QQ, and you can see the river for nothin'.