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Pat Southern
05-20-2005, 04:52 AM
This hand just came up in a party $100. How do you like my line here? I didn't fire on the flop because I figured it was very likely I'd be checkraised, either by a PP or a worse hand, and didn't want to be pushed off the hand that easily. Maybe it was fancy play syndrome checking behind on the turn, but I didn't think a worse hand would pay off, which is also why I smoothcalled the river. Still would like comments on the turn check.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero (t3038)</font>
UTG+2 (t1325)
MP1 (t1110)
MP2 (t925)
MP3 (t4515)
CO (t1535)
Button (t490)
<font color="#C00000">SB (t2211)</font>
BB (t1050)
UTG (t1385)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, SB calls t125, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t350) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t350) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (t350) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t325</font>, Hero calls t325.

Final Pot: t1000

Edit: Nevermind, looking back, i definately should have raised the river. Just because I'm often chopping, I should at least try to get his stack here, and not worry about quads.
ThrillFactor
05-20-2005, 05:12 AM
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Edit: Nevermind, looking back, i definately should have raised the river.

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MicroBob
05-20-2005, 05:15 AM
yuck.

i'm okay with checking through on the turn to set him up to take a stab at it on the river....but smooth-calling there is lousy as you point out in your edit.

If you min-raise him here he'll be paying you off with an 8 or any other pair and possibly with just a bare king.
Pat Southern
05-20-2005, 05:20 AM
Maybe playing at 2AM is a bad idea...
ThrillFactor
05-20-2005, 05:22 AM
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If you min-raise him here he'll be paying you off with an 8 or any other pair and possibly with just a bare king.

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My thoughts exactly. After all, you checked the turn to persuade him to bet the river with an inferior hand.
transmitt
05-20-2005, 09:33 AM
I've been a lot less afraid of monsters under the bed lately, I bet here. Probably chopping but he may be sitting with a PP and you take it.
durron597
05-20-2005, 10:08 AM
Honestly, I don't think you left chips on the table here. Can he call a river raise with less than an ace?

On the other hand he's very unlikely to have Quads (obviously) so there's no harm in a river raise, but I probably minraise since he's so unlikely to call with anything less than QQQAA.
schwza
05-20-2005, 10:16 AM
i would bet the flop and call a moderate c/r. you've got 7 outs against a pp &lt; TT (1 for the case Q). you don't want to let a hand like KTs stick around for a free card. you could also be value betting against a smaller A.

i like the turn check.

i like the river call. an 8 is not paying off a river raise, but an A is reraising, so you have to pay off the case Q, which sucks.
schwza
05-20-2005, 10:20 AM
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If you min-raise him here he'll be paying you off with an 8 or any other pair and possibly with just a bare king.

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if you're the SB and you see a utg+1 raise, you've got to assume it's a pair or Ax. i don't think you get paid off enough to risk stacking off against Qx (or the unlikely AA).