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DrewOnTilt

05-20-2005, 12:29 AM

This stop 'n go really confuzzled me. What should I have done differently?

On the flop, I raised because the pot was huge and I saw no real way to protect my hand.

I made a crying call for one bet on the river on the slim chance that MP1 had caught 2 pair in spite of his tightish stats, but found the fold button after UTG+1 checkraised and got called twice.

MP1 is 19% VPIP, 0.86 flop aggression. UTG + 1 is a fucktard.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif. UTG posts a blind of $2. MP2 posts a blind of $2. CO posts a blind of $2.
UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 (poster) raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (17.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (6 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (16.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 23.75 BB

Wepeel

05-20-2005, 12:46 AM

Wow, this is a weird hand. What's MP1's pfr%? I can't really see anything you are behind to on the turn, so I raise here. This hand looks like MP1 is playing an overpair and UTG+1 just went runner runner with his 67s.

DrewOnTilt

05-20-2005, 12:53 AM

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Wow, this is a weird hand. What's MP1's pfr%? I can't really see anything you are behind to on the turn, so I raise here. This hand looks like MP1 is playing an overpair and UTG+1 just went runner runner with his 67s.

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MP1 preflop raise is 1.27%, although I only have 74 hands on him.

I was floored when I saw the hands that UTG+1 and MP2 showed down. Party players are so retarded.

MCS

05-20-2005, 01:24 AM

Why did you not raise the turn? It's a big multiway pot and there aren't a lot of dangerous hands. There are enough people screwing around that I think you have a pot equity edge.

Originally I figured MP1 for 87s but given the river action, I guess not.

Tough river fold, but I think I agree with it.

wrto4556

05-20-2005, 02:16 AM

You really need to raise this turn.

I would consider calling the flop and raising the turn.

Nick C

05-20-2005, 04:00 AM

I know it looks like UTG+1 just hit running 7's to pull ahead on the river (or maybe he flopped or turned a big hand and slowplayed until the end), but I don't think the calls behind him are that big of a concern, especially given that you've underrepresented your hand postflop.

So I'd make the crying call, closing the action, getting 23:1, especially since it sounds like UTG+1 may be a little erratic. Maybe he's suddenly decided his JJ is good or something.

shant

05-20-2005, 04:03 AM

You really needed to raise this turn.

DrewOnTilt

05-20-2005, 06:57 PM

Okay, so it seems that people think I should've raised the turn. I'll consider that line next time.

As it turned out, I was behind the whole way anyhow. This was no doubt one of the most hilarious showdowns that I have ever seen. For those of you who doubt the fucktardishness at Party 2/4, chew on this:

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif. UTG posts a blind of $2. MP2 posts a blind of $2. CO posts a blind of $2.
UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 (poster) raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (17.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (6 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (16.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 23.75 BB

Results:
BB doesn't show.
UTG+1 has 6s 4h (straight, eight high).
MP1 has 5s 5d (full house, fives full of sevens).
MP2 has Ad Ah (two pair, aces and sevens).
Outcome: MP1 wins 23.75 BB.

Nick C

05-20-2005, 07:48 PM

That's a pretty amazing lack of action on the turn, given the hands everyone had at that point.

I'd imagine it's pretty rare too, when KK finds itself in fourth place on the turn (with no ace on the board) versus three independent hands that aren't chopping with each other.

RiverTheNuts

05-20-2005, 08:06 PM

I probably play it the same way with a possible turn raise... no one has told you that you're beat yet

MP2 is a dolt for being tricky by not capping AA 4 ways preflop, and then not raising the flop, and then for calling the river check-raise... lol

UTG+1 is a dolt for playing 64o UTG, not raising the turn after 3 callers and he's closing action, then a dolt for raising the river

MP1 is a dolt for not 3 betting the flop

Add all 3 to buddy list and laugh to yourself... if there was a troubleshooting section on how not to play poker, I believe that this would be the hand they used, lol...

mannika

05-20-2005, 08:15 PM

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MP1 is a dolt for not 3 betting the turn

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Wha?

I assume you mean 3-bet the flop or the river here. I would 3-bet the flop in his case, but I'm not too keen on 3-betting the river. By raising you probably shut out the other caller, and get capped against a higher full house

RiverTheNuts

05-20-2005, 08:18 PM

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MP1 is a dolt for not 3 betting the turn

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Wha?

I assume you mean 3-bet the flop or the river here. I would 3-bet the flop in his case, but I'm not too keen on 3-betting the river. By raising you probably shut out the other caller, and get capped against a higher full house

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Yes, flop, my mistake, 3 betting the river here would be a bad play.. and if he could manage a 3 bet on the turn Id steer clear of his tables /images/graemlins/smile.gif