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TStoneMBD

05-19-2005, 10:33 PM

how do you clone hitler? even if you could, what would be the point? youd have a bunch of egotistical power hungry idiots running around that dont have power. youd be better off cloning the brainwashed nazi soldiers.

gorie

05-19-2005, 10:34 PM

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how do you clone hitler?

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i'm waiting for the punch line.

radek2166

05-19-2005, 10:38 PM

Little DNA. DOes that sound right? I am not a scientist.

I honestly think some fargin numbnuts would clone him just to see if its Nature or Nurture.

wacki

05-19-2005, 10:38 PM

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how do you clone hitler?

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Ever seen Jurassic Park? Even then cloning is easy, it's finding intact DNA that's hard. Since Hitler hasn't been dead all that long, finding intact DNA should be trivial.

tbach24

05-19-2005, 10:43 PM

This is all from memory:

Cloning is basically just making a new born baby with the same DNA as you. Also, I believe that the clone can only live as long as the person he was cloned from. So for example, if I was cloned today, my clone couldn't live past 17 years, 5 months and 14 days. Cloning has been done before on humans by some wacko science group in the midwest, although IIRC they did not disclose any legit info. Cloning isn't that cool, it's not like they have it in the movies.

-Skeme-

05-19-2005, 10:43 PM

I don't think they'd ever clone Hitler. There's really no point. And if you're referring to the Raelians who claim to have cloned, they're full of [censored].

radek2166

05-19-2005, 10:44 PM

You know whats funny to me. I ask a serious question and get flamed a bit.

If I would ask who is the greatest porn star of all time the thread would go on for days.

tbach24

05-19-2005, 10:46 PM

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I don't think they'd ever clone Hitler.

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I was under the impression that they never found him. They couldn't clone someone who's DNA they don't have.

-Skeme-

05-19-2005, 10:48 PM

His body was burned and buried in the Chancellory garden.

TStoneMBD

05-19-2005, 10:48 PM

you got flamed? maybe gorie needled you a little bit, but i didnt flame you. im interested in serious discussion, and certainly not about porn stars. i didnt realize that it was actually possible to clone dead people, especially from decades ago.

radek2166

05-19-2005, 10:48 PM

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My friend O how misguided you are

-Skeme-

05-19-2005, 10:51 PM

What am I misguided about?

radek2166

05-19-2005, 10:52 PM

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you got flamed? maybe gorie needled you a little bit, but i didnt flame you. im interested in serious discussion, and certainly not about porn stars. i didnt realize that it was actually possible to clone dead people, especially from decades ago.

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Ok maybe I was being a bit to sensitive.

I am very serious about this. I am not a baby boomer nor a tech savy kid.

I know this has no bareing on anything. I just wonder about things like this.

I have said it before and I will say it again mans destiny is to wipe himself out.

tbach24

05-19-2005, 10:52 PM

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His body was burned and buried in the Chancellory garden.

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But all the history books, teachers, adults, etc. have told me he wasn't found. Please provide a link because I am far too lazy to dig through gooooogle

wacki

05-19-2005, 10:53 PM

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Also, I believe that the clone can only live as long as the person he was cloned from. So for example, if I was cloned today, my clone couldn't live past 17 years, 5 months and 14 days.

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This isn't always true. You can rejuvinate the DNA.

radek2166

05-19-2005, 10:53 PM

All you need is one hair right?

wacki

05-19-2005, 10:54 PM

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i didnt realize that it was actually possible to clone dead people, especially from decades ago.

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Or 100 million years ago.

radek2166

05-19-2005, 10:54 PM

Someone is more than willing to do that. Just think of the cash one could make.

radek2166

05-19-2005, 10:56 PM

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Also, I believe that the clone can only live as long as the person he was cloned from. So for example, if I was cloned today, my clone couldn't live past 17 years, 5 months and 14 days.

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This isn't always true. You can rejuvinate the DNA.

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Does anyone know this for sure? What would happen if say a baby was cloned. It could only live 2 days? Why?

TStoneMBD

05-19-2005, 10:59 PM

so we could get the dna of einstein and clone him? imagine how [censored] smart this planet would be if we did [censored] like that. we should also clone johnny cash, henry ford and santa clause.

tbach24

05-19-2005, 11:02 PM

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so we could get the dna of einstein and clone him? imagine how [censored] smart this planet would be if we did [censored] like that. we should also clone johnny cash, henry ford and santa clause.

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No because people will be different. If I cloned myself, my other person could become a crackhead or could become a politican. Nuture baby, nuture.

-Skeme-

05-19-2005, 11:03 PM

Einstein's brain was wider than average. Just figure out a way to make everyone's brain wider. Boom, planet is saved.

TStoneMBD

05-19-2005, 11:05 PM

well i was kidding about santa clause and johnny cash. although, wouldnt these people have very similiar traits? wouldnt the cloned version of einstein still be a mega genius and henry ford be an innovative inventor?

TStoneMBD

05-19-2005, 11:05 PM

bigger brains have nothing to do with intelligence apparently.

-Skeme-

05-19-2005, 11:07 PM

Doubt it. I'd think only physical traits would transfer. Some personality traits, but I'd imagine the Einstein clone would be molded into whatever, like a new human. I don't know [censored] about cloning, though.

-Skeme-

05-19-2005, 11:07 PM

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bigger brains have nothing to do with intelligence apparently.

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?

tbach24

05-19-2005, 11:07 PM

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well i was kidding about santa clause and johnny cash. although, wouldnt these people have very similiar traits? wouldnt the cloned version of einstein still be a mega genius and henry ford be an innovative inventor?

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No. I watched an Einstein documentary and I seem to remember him being influenced by the things around him. Stick him in inner city New York and I doubt he'd thrive the way he did in Italy and Germany and all those other Euro countries. It's basically just like a bunch of independent events that click together.

Alobar

05-19-2005, 11:09 PM

what would be the point? It would be a genetic duplicate of hitler, but it wouldnt be hitler. His clone isnt going to gow up to be what hitler was.

jakethebake

05-20-2005, 09:09 AM

As long as no one clones this thread I'll be happy.

Miggo

05-20-2005, 09:31 AM

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so we could get the dna of einstein and clone him? imagine how [censored] smart this planet would be if we did [censored] like that. we should also clone johnny cash, henry ford and santa clause.

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Next on the Travel channel, picture an hour long ring table with 10 Phil Helmouth's sitting at it. "If it weren't for luck ..." "Phil check/raised me six times ..." "I can't believe what these Phils are calling me down with K4, Q3 ..."

zephed56

05-20-2005, 11:25 AM

Shajen

05-20-2005, 11:37 AM

the assembly line (sorta)

Dynasty

05-20-2005, 11:54 AM

If Hitler gets cloned in the future, we can just be sure to give him really good art lessons. That way, he'll choose his first professional love.

If Castro gets clone, we'll teach him to throw a curveball.

jakethebake

05-20-2005, 12:01 PM

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If Castro gets clone, we'll teach him to throw a curveball.

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Why clone Castro? He's never going to die.

radek2166

05-20-2005, 12:03 PM

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If Castro gets clone, we'll teach him to throw a curveball.

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Why clone Castro? He's never going to die.

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Thats reason enough. I think hes dead allready what we see are just body doubles /images/graemlins/grin.gif

jakethebake

05-20-2005, 12:12 PM

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If Castro gets clone, we'll teach him to throw a curveball.

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Why clone Castro? He's never going to die.

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Thats reason enough. I think hes dead allready what we see are just body doubles /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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So maybe they've already cloned him.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/903959/tinfoil.jpg

radek2166

05-20-2005, 12:37 PM

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If Castro gets clone, we'll teach him to throw a curveball.

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Why clone Castro? He's never going to die.

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Thats reason enough. I think hes dead allready what we see are just body doubles /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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So maybe they've already cloned him.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/903959/tinfoil.jpg

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U also were tin foil on your head? Thank god I thought I was the only 1!!

BreakfastBurrito

05-20-2005, 12:49 PM

It would be cool to clone him, raise him in a normal family somewhere in the modern Western world and see how normal he comes out. I think the way people turn out as adults is much more dependent upon developmental experiences rather than inherent genetics.

wacki

05-20-2005, 01:27 PM

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so we could get the dna of einstein and clone him? imagine how [censored] smart this planet would be if we did [censored] like that. we should also clone johnny cash, henry ford and santa clause.

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No because people will be different. If I cloned myself, my other person could become a crackhead or could become a politican. Nuture baby, nuture.

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Is that why twins seperated at birth and even thousands of miles tend to have the same tastes in hobbies, sports, food, spouses, music and carriers?

wacki

05-20-2005, 01:29 PM

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Also, I believe that the clone can only live as long as the person he was cloned from. So for example, if I was cloned today, my clone couldn't live past 17 years, 5 months and 14 days.

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This isn't always true. You can rejuvinate the DNA.

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Does anyone know this for sure? What would happen if say a baby was cloned. It could only live 2 days? Why?

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It depends on the process used, however human cloning is blocked via politics. I have a feeling China will change that. Technology is not the real barrier, well not in the US at least. That being said, that baby should live a long and full life if cloned correctly.

maldini

05-20-2005, 01:32 PM

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Hitler? ALso why would one want to clone him?

I think it will happen. 20 Years sound right?

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i think we should clone him, then torture him for causing so much death and distruction.

Alobar

05-20-2005, 01:47 PM

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so we could get the dna of einstein and clone him? imagine how [censored] smart this planet would be if we did [censored] like that. we should also clone johnny cash, henry ford and santa clause.

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No because people will be different. If I cloned myself, my other person could become a crackhead or could become a politican. Nuture baby, nuture.

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Is that why twins seperated at birth and even thousands of miles tend to have the same tastes in hobbies, sports, food, spouses, music and carriers?

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I'd love to see some links to actual data on this. I've heard the same thing, but its always somone who says "oh I read it somewhere" or "oh, I saw this TV show on it") never anything concrete, its sort of like an urban legand im begining to theink

note: I am in no way saying this because I doubt you or because its you and we seem to argue about junk like this all the time. Im just saying Id love some links, cuz id really just love some links so I can read about it.

InchoateHand

05-20-2005, 02:02 PM

Wacki, you are a solid researcher, but don't start spouting any stats derived from "twins seperated at birth" studies.

The large-scale, major "twins separated at birth" study was in the postwar era, conducted by a researcher named Cyril Burt.

He found all sorts of interesting information---particularly his comparison of their IQs. Only one problem---he fabricated most of his data.

Other, "meta-analyses" have relyed on flawed and fabricated data like Burts. See, thats the problem---there aren't that many twins who are separated at birth, and when researchers can't find them, they have shown an astonishing tendency to make them up. There are some legitimate studies, but not many, so its hardly "time and again," furthermore, the sample size is so small as to be statistically insignificant.

That said, of course there is a "genetic" component to personality, but nature and nurture, as you well understand, are not mutually exclusive and "genes" are far from static---ie, they can be influenced by environment relatively rapidly.

-Skeme-

05-20-2005, 02:03 PM

I watched a show on the behavior of twin girls. They were't seperated, though. But they would finish eachother's sentences quite frequently and often knew what the other was thinking. Not sure if this is directly tied in with being twins, as it could be with sisters, too. I remember them acting very opposite, too. Was weird.