Casino Arizona 20-40 w/ 30-60 half kill

[yobo]

loose agreesive table and the 30-60 kill is on(he is the button also)...i look at the black aces and limp first in after four folders...cut folds button peels it to 60...others fold,i call headsup! $150 pot

flop is 227 rainbow ..i check, he bets, i raise, he reraises, i cap..$390 pot

turn is the Ace of diamonds. I bet he mucks..game over

Question 1) do you limp in first here?
2) do you reraise preflop?
3) do you check the turn?

thougts welecomed.

[drewjustdrew]

I think you probably played it fine. I would have reraised pre-flop, or initially raised. Either way, I would have made the last bet I could there. Same on the flop, I would have bet and raised like you did. How is there a cap heads up? When I am out of position, I try not to get too fancy with check raises unless I know I am against an aggressive player. I know I read somewhere (I think HPFAP) that the prefered method is to check-raise the turn often, but maybe my timing stinks and I give away way too many free cards.

[brad]

this hand must ahve occured during the day (so tight, eheh).

check the turn and river hell probably fire or bet river and hell probably call.

if at night he could have KQs for example. (checking river better here).

[brad]

day he had TT or so.

[yobo]

what free card its acesfull at this point

[Nutz]

Are you one of the Drews that plays at Harrahs in East Chicago? If so, how's it going? I'm Josh (just moved to L.A.) Game still good out there? See ya around.

[Dreamer]

You dont have the nuts plus if he has 77 or A2, 23 he will come along.
Giving a free card here is a huge mathmatical error.
Why give someone unlimited odds to draw to the nuts AND let them do it for free!

If he has 77 he may bet you to the end and even re-raise which is what you want.

If he has a weak hand he won`t call many bets anyway before folding.

The player has already raised on the flop so would be a prime candidate for catching something on the flop.

D.

[drewjustdrew]

I'm probably not the Drew you are thinking of. I haven't played at Harrahs in over a year. I play mostly online at paradise under the same name and home games these days. I think maybe we (in general) should put email addresses in our profiles. I'm sure others aren't interested in these personal discussions.

[yobo]

if he has any of these hands (77 any duece) dont you think he'll bet.....who's taking a freebie with sevensfull or three due's

[Ed Miller]

Huh? He's got Ace's full. What hand on earth that could draw out on Ace's full would not bet the turn when checked to? Furthermore, no matter what hand his opponent has.. unless it is 22... leaves his opponent drawing to at most one out. Your free card comment makes no sense at all here.

[bad beetz]

he has Aces full, giving a free card is OK here. It's ok to give a free card to one card in the deck that may not even beat you. I'm not saying it's correct, but deciding if not to give a free card to keep people from drawing is no the reason in this situation. Aces-full can stand to let a lone opponent draw.

[CreamPuff]

Preflop:
You have the kill on the button (posting),
there is no reason to limp with AA.
You should be limping with AA in tight games with no callers(or posters).


And I would have went for a check-raise on the turn.
(An alternative play I would use is check-call turn.
Bet river)

#1) I don't understand how its a huge mathematical error to
induce the preflop raiser into betting when an ace spikes
on the turn? At minimum you can check-raise, and if he
has a 2 or 77 like you mentioned, he will probably reraise
anyways...I really don't understand what he means.

#2) the only reason to limp with AA, and KK, and not reraise
a raiser would be if you were intending to check-raise the
turn(although in this case, you got plenty of flop action to make up for it)
Else your probably just better off reraising preflop.

[astroglide]

i think a strong argument can be made otherwise

kill pots are usually highly contested, and raised preflop a majority of the time. open-limping aa with the intention of reraising is a valid strategy, and flat calling a raise if it's going to play heads up (for deception) is good poker.

[mike l.]

it depends on how aggressive this guy is. i think the best play is to slow down on the flop when he reraises because you are sure to get more action on a future street now that he's put this much in w/ whatever he has (even if he has nothing). but 4 betting the flop is pointless because it reveals to him that you have a very strong hand.

betting the turn is even worse. you should check and call if he bets and then bet the river if you are afraid he will check behind there.