How tough is PP $20+2

[magicmntn]

I have been doing well at the 10+1 and wanted to know how much tougher the 22's are

[Newt_Buggs]

answer 1:
use some of the money you have made at the $10s to find out

answer 2:
not very

[Angelic_Ace]

I don't find the 20's to be substantially more difficult than 10's these days. The 10's have tightened up considerably in the year or so I have been playing (though they are still full of poor play). If you can beat the 10's consistently for a few hundred tournies, I would give the 20's a shot if you have the bankroll (600$+ IMO)

[astarck]

I have played a few hundred $11 sngs at party and my roi is in the upper teens. I know just a few hundred isn't enough to draw conclusions about, but I'm fairly certain that just by looking at the players who sit down I (or anyone with half a brain) can beat the 11s.

With that being said, I have tried a few times to make the jump to the 22s. Through 40 sngs at the 22 level, I have a -24% roi, yet the play seems almost identical to that at the 11s. 40 sngs cannot determine anything, and I'm hoping I've just been hit by negative variance.

IMO, the play isn't much tougher (you might find one other person at the table that knows what they are doing), but have your bankroll and your mind prepared for bigger wins and losses.

[pergesu]

It's not any tougher. And as long as you think of your wins and losses in terms of buyins rather than $, you'll be fine to start. The toughest part is losing $200 on your first day...it seems like a lot at first. So just think in terms of buyins, and then eventually you'll be comfortable with the amount of money that actually fluctuates.

[Maulik]

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It's not any tougher. And as long as you think of your wins and losses in terms of buyins rather than $, you'll be fine to start. The toughest part is losing $200 on your first day...it seems like a lot at first. So just think in terms of buyins, and then eventually you'll be comfortable with the amount of money that actually fluctuates.

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its pretty easy, just post problematic hands on here.

I don't even look at my casher while I'm playing. I just post my terrible (questionable) hands here while I play and hope for the best

[kreutz000]

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I don't even look at my casher while I'm playing. I just post my terrible (questionable) hands here while I play and hope for the best

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How can you not do that when your availible balance is displayed every time you sit down?

[pergesu]

Just click the little checkbox without even thinking...

[Newt_Buggs]

after working my way up starting at the $10s my impression was that the $10s, $20s, and $30s play similarly with each table usually having a decent player or two substituted for a fish. It seems like the $50s change quite a bit though with most of the players getting aggressive

[magicmntn]

Since I switched to AleoMagus' style I have seen very good results. Are there any style differences in the $22's, or should the same style play well there too?

[pergesu]

You'll be fine. $22s are easy

[magicmntn]

I lost my first 5 buyins.

My next 4: 1 2 2 4

I think I might be able to play at this level.

[Voltron87]

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I lost my first 5 buyins.

My next 4: 1 2 2 4

I think I might be able to play at this level.

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if youre really concerned about this i wouldn't think of poker as a long term thing

[magicmntn]

LOL always a smartass in the group. Of course I am not putting a whole lot of stock in results from my first 9 tournies. But I would imagine any time you move up there is some apprehension initially. The fact that I lost my first 5 buyins magnified this. I was just glad things settled down the next go round.

[Voltron87]

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LOL always a smartass in the group. Of course I am not putting a whole lot of stock in results from my first 9 tournies. But I would imagine any time you move up there is some apprehension initially. The fact that I lost my first 5 buyins magnified this. I was just glad things settled down the next go round.

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Fair enough, I can live with having apprehension moving up.

I'm not saying you can't, but to win at poker and SNGS you have to learn how to play through discouraging results.

[magicmntn]

yeah I have no problem with variance. I think the question moving up initially is can I play at this game. You lose the first 5 buyins you get scared. If this multiplies to 10 buyins or 14 out of 15 or something like that, suddenly the question isn't variance, it is gameplay. I guess I'll have to update this after my first 100. ;-)

[pergesu]

First 100 ain't dick either. But if you can beat $11, you can beat $22. Ain't no thang