How did I play these Queens?

[Booker]

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls.

River: (11.25 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

[snapfc01]

i check down on the river... other then that looks good

[Demos]

I don't really care for the flop cap.

[toss]

Good PF.

Flop wou went overboard. Villain has raised PF which highly suggests he has Kings when he bets and 3-bets the flop. With no reads I'll raise this flop since the pot is getting big and call his 3-bet since we odds to draw to our 2 outs. Since we didn't improve on the turn I would fold.

[davelin]

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I don't really care for the flop cap.

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[Buckmulligan]

I probably fold the flop to the 3 bet.

[Booker]

Yeah, it did feel like I was getting a little too aggressive for my own good...

[tallboy]

When he 3-bets the flop I'm going into call down mode.

With your line though, I would probably check on the river because there is a good chance you are beat.

[toss]

What hand would villain raise PF, then 3-bet a K-high raggedy flop that our QQ beats?

[AmarilloJim1]

I don't think you should've raised on the flop. An overcard fell (bad flop for you), and if villian has AK you're toast.

[chopchoi]

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With no reads I'll raise this flop since the pot is getting big and call his 3-bet since we odds to draw to our 2 outs.

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There are 10.5 SB in the pot pf. after the bet, raise, 3 bet, there are 15.5 SB. The odds against hitting a set are 22:1. So, if you believe that you only have 2 outs, you would also have to believe that you can win another 6.5 SB from your opponent in order to have the implied odds to justify a call. I don't think you can count on that much action.

[toss]

Thats true. I guess it is a flop fold then.

[ClaytonN]

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I probably fold the flop to the 3 bet.

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[tallboy]

Good point. I can't really think of one, so calling down would be incorrect, right?

I'm still learning and I don't expect my answers to always be correct, so I appreciate the response.

[mmbt0ne]

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I probably fold the flop to the 3 bet.

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Booooo. 17.5:1. 2 Qs, backdoor straight draw.

The only way a cap was good here is if you are determined to show down, know it will slow down villian, and check behind on the river, saving yourself 0.5SB when you're behind. I think that's still a crappy play though.

Given that villian raised preflop, called a 3-bet and then bet into you I don't think you're in great shape. If anything I think your best play might be to call and re-evaluate on the turn. The pot is big, and it's already HU.

EDIT: I miscounted the odds, but I'm leaving it up there. It's actually 16.5:1 which makes it a lot closer, and probably a fold. The rest of the post is fine.

[Buckmulligan]

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Booooo. 17.5:1. 2 Qs, backdoor straight draw.

The only way a cap was good here is if you are determined to show down, know it will slow down villian, and check behind on the river, saving yourself 0.5SB when you're behind. I think that's still a crappy play though.

Given that villian raised preflop, called a 3-bet and then bet into you I don't think you're in great shape. If anything I think your best play might be to call and re-evaluate on the turn. The pot is big, and it's already HU.

EDIT: I miscounted the odds, but I'm leaving it up there. It's actually 16.5:1 which makes it a lot closer, and probably a fold. The rest of the post is fine.


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No, calling's not awful, just as long as we know that calling down with our current hand is not an option.

[mmbt0ne]

I've gotta agree with that.

[chadplusplus]

grunching...

preflop pretty standard

flop - his 3-bet makes me start worrying about the K... I'd probably just call that instead of capping

turn - his check is interesting - did you just scare his AK/KQ/KJ/Kx and have him worried that you may have hit a set or two pair? i'd say probably... of course he may have just had something like jacks... regardless, his 3-bet on the flop makes me believe he hit the K, so I take the free card

River - since he called the turn bet and I'm already worried he hit the K, i just take the free showdown

[Escape]

Call his 3 bet and fold the turn UI. I think he used a nice line. Everyone raises with QQ/JJ in that position giving him a perfect spot to 3 bet you with AK.

[Booker]

Thanks guys, I'm starting to learn something here /images/graemlins/smile.gif