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That guy

05-18-2005, 01:43 PM

At first I thought this was a bad turn play by Villain but now I am wondering what others think? Would you have called if you were villain???

(I am a limit player but decided to play some NL last night)...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 ($7)
CO ($343.35)
Button ($100.8)
SB ($94)
BB ($100)
UTG ($168.6)
UTG+1 ($84.7)
Hero ($45.6)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, MP2 calls $1, 2 folds, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($5) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $3, UTG folds, Hero calls $3, MP2 folds, SB folds.

Turn: ($11) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets $10 , Hero raises $30 , BB raises all-in , Hero calls

River: ($11) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: $91.20

Results in white below: 
BB has 7s 8s (full house, sevens full of eights).
Hero has Td Jd (straight, jack high).
Outcome: BB wins $91.20.

Marcotte

05-18-2005, 01:55 PM

I would have played it the same way as villain, but I suck. Two pair is a very dangerous hand, as it usually means there is a str8 draw on the board. With his flush draw he has 13 outs to improve which is around 28% to hit on the river iirc. Not enough to get all the money in against someone who's shown strength, but like I said, I'd probably do it too. :sigh: so much to learn.

wtfsvi

05-18-2005, 02:01 PM

I would probably play it the same way as villain, except I would bet full pot on the flop. Not sure it's right though, to push the turn. He has to at least call anyway I think. But I would push.

kurto

05-18-2005, 02:06 PM

I'm more interested in why you called his flop bet. You had 4 outs (3 if someone has a flush draw). Even if you hit, there was a decent chance your straight would be counterfeited by a flush.

unlucky513

05-18-2005, 02:07 PM

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I'm more interested in why you called his flop bet. You had 4 outs (3 if someone has a flush draw). Even if you hit, there was a decent chance your straight would be counterfeited by a flush.

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That guy

05-18-2005, 02:16 PM

$3 to call to hit my miracle 3-outer

it was a loose call for implied odds with position... here it turned out to be $3 to win possible $45.. didn't work out, oh well

kurto

05-18-2005, 02:37 PM

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$3 to call to hit my miracle 3-outer

it was a loose call for implied odds

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For the record, that's a terrible call. You don't have the stack for the implied odds.

You can only be certain that you have 3 good outs. You have about a 6% chance of hitting your card on the next card. For simplicity... we'll round it to 1/20th. For you to break even, you have to know you'll get $60 from him on that call. You only have $44 dollars, so your stack isn't deep enough to make this call.

On top of that, you have to always figure in the number of times that you will get your straight, then still lose to a flush or (as in this case, a fullhouse).

Regarding his play....
I'm not sure what he would put you on. If he thinks his 2 pair is beat, then his call would be bad. But if he considers the %of time his 2 pair is good and the %of time someone might be trying to push him off a hand.... its probably a reasonable call.

That guy

05-18-2005, 02:57 PM

thx for comments...

For the record, that's a terrible call. You don't have the stack for the implied odds.

yes I know its not a good call... it is $3 though... it is hardly terrible... its a small mistake, not a 'terrible' mistake.

That guy

05-18-2005, 03:06 PM

Finite_Risk

05-18-2005, 03:08 PM

[/ QUOTE ]Regarding his play....
I'm not sure what he would put you on. If he thinks his 2 pair is beat, then his call would be bad. But if he considers the %of time his 2 pair is good and the %of time someone might be trying to push him off a hand.... its probably a reasonable call.

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Totally agree

Ojo_Rojo

05-18-2005, 03:26 PM

The call could potentially lose you more than $3.

Ojo_Rojo

That guy

05-18-2005, 04:13 PM

The call could potentially lose you more than $3

Yes it could, I could lose $45 --- as I did...

but when $80 of the $91 pot went in, I had 70% equity of it... the nuts... not bad