PP - i wanna check your hole cards

[seabass74]

General Party question... It seems like some players get hand histories immediately following the hand THAT shows your cards even if you don't have to show down a hand. Is that possible?

Thanks for any replies... it would sure help me see if I'm making good laydowns or to see what certain players are raising with etc.

[kiddj]

Yes, I believe all hands called at the river are picked up in the hand history you get, even if they weren't actually "shown" at the table.

[2easy]

the hand history is displayable by clicking on the "last hand" link in the top right hand corner of the window.

as stated by kiddj, the hole cards of any hands that called on the river, whether "shown" or not, would be listed in the hand history.

[seabass74]

Thanks for the replies, is there anyway to see hands that aren't called to the river???

[meow_meow]

no

[CountDuckula]

Yes, they have this feature, as others have explained. It's actually something that really annoys me, and keeps me from playing there on a regular basis; I do like seeing other people's moves, but I don't like them being able to see mine. One of the fundamental principles of poker, as I've learned them, is that nobody is entitled to information they didn't pay for (i.e., nobody who has folded should be able to demand to see a mucked hand). Some people believe the opposite is true, and/or that being able to do this prevents collusion, but it's rarely used for that purpose, and colluders are generally smart enough to make sure that one of them folds before the showdown anyway. Party can examine the hand histories themselves (including folded hands), and see if reported collusive behavior really is such; I don't see why the players should get this windfall.

IMHO, FWIW, YMMV, not valid where taxed, do not fold, spindle or mutilate, etc.... /images/graemlins/wink.gif

-Mike

[Tapin]

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One of the fundamental principles of poker, as I've learned them, is that nobody is entitled to information they didn't pay for (i.e., nobody who has folded should be able to demand to see a mucked hand).

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Hey Mike -- I understand your complaint, but this doesn't seem to follow. If the cards are in the histories, there was a showdown; therefore, someone "paid for it". At B&M casinos, if someone in a showdown demands to see mucked cards, they don't just show 'em to people in the showdown and hide them from the rest of the table...?

Like I said, I can understand the rest of your complaint -- but I don't happen to agree. I think that the amount of information I'm receiving from seeing other peoples' losers is greater than the amount of information I'm giving up from them being able to see my losers, especially given that at PP 2/4 I'd imagine less than half of any given table knows to look.

[meow_meow]

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One of the fundamental principles of poker, as I've learned them, is that nobody is entitled to information they didn't pay for (i.e., nobody who has folded should be able to demand to see a mucked hand).

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Hey Mike -- I understand your complaint, but this doesn't seem to follow. If the cards are in the histories, there was a showdown; therefore, someone "paid for it". At B&M casinos, if someone in a showdown demands to see mucked cards, they don't just show 'em to people in the showdown and hide them from the rest of the table...?

Like I said, I can understand the rest of your complaint -- but I don't happen to agree. I think that the amount of information I'm receiving from seeing other peoples' losers is greater than the amount of information I'm giving up from them being able to see my losers, especially given that at PP 2/4 I'd imagine less than half of any given table knows to look.

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What he's saying is that a third player who wasn't involved in the hand gets to see the hole cards for free.'

I'm with you though, very net +EV.

[krimson]

I agree, +EV.

It's also quite a bit of fun to embarass people lieing about their hands. Nothing better than being told your a suckout because you "busted my 2-pair" and then checking the hand history and seeing they had Ace high.

[krazyace5]

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It's also quite a bit of fun to embarass people lieing about their hands. Nothing better than being told your a suckout because you "busted my 2-pair" and then checking the hand history and seeing they had Ace high.

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This is -EV

[MicroBob]

this is DEFINITELY -EV.


There is no earthly reason why you should point out to the fish that you know they are lying.

Why do you want to make them aware of this feature (that MANY players at party still don't know about)?

[Tapin]

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What he's saying is that a third player who wasn't involved in the hand gets to see the hole cards for free.'

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I understand; that's why I commented on the B&M situation. That is, when I'm playing in a casino, if someone demands to see mucked cards at a showdown, they don't just show them to the person who paid to see them -- they show them to the entire table. Seems exactly analogous to what Party does, except that asking to see hole cards is considered rude in most B&M casinos.

[captain_swing]

Didn't a new playerview edition (or beta version) allow you to look at hole cards of mucked hands? Seems I remember people talking about it. I find that disturbing but I obviously would like it if it's out there.

[2easy]

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Didn't a new playerview edition (or beta version) allow you to look at hole cards of mucked hands? Seems I remember people talking about it. I find that disturbing but I obviously would like it if it's out there.

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all that the playerview program does is display on the table the information that is available, with one mouseclick, via the hand histories anyway.

why would this be "disturbing" to you?

[captain_swing]

In that case it wouldn't. I thought playerview somehow retrieved mucked hands and displayed them.

[Stu Pidasso]

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I understand; that's why I commented on the B&M situation. That is, when I'm playing in a casino, if someone demands to see mucked cards at a showdown, they don't just show them to the person who paid to see them -- they show them to the entire table. Seems exactly analogous to what Party does, except that asking to see hole cards is considered rude in most B&M casinos.

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The should make hole card information available only if you voluntarily invested money into the pot. That would piss off all the dataminers, but in the long run I think it would be good for the game.

Stu