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luckyplayer
05-18-2005, 09:42 AM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t1070)
SB (t2030)
BB (t705)
UTG (t1350)
UTG+1 (t490)
Hero (t685)
MP2 (t1020)
CO (t650)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t30, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t60</font>, Hero calls t30, SB calls t30.

Flop: (t180) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t30</font>, BB calls t30, Hero folds.

Should I have raised here, or was the fold good?

sng-sam
05-18-2005, 10:12 AM
This early I fold. not enough chips to risk it over

zambonidrivr
05-18-2005, 10:16 AM
reraise!!!! then fold if someone pushes. Giving your chip position, you can afford a reraise, and then bail. after this, be more agressive and pick up some blinds.

luckyplayer
05-18-2005, 11:02 AM
do you mean preflop? I was referring to the flop bet.

Also, I meant overcard flop, not overpair.

therock
05-18-2005, 11:11 AM
There are 240 chips in the pot and you have 600 after the flop. If you raise after the flop, you probably need to raise to 90-150 to see where you are at. If you had more chips it would be ok, but you are already low and are playing against two opponents. I'd just fold after the flop.

Karak567
05-18-2005, 11:11 AM
I would raise to the pot and probably stick around for a re-raise. At this buy-in level people will still think their Ax that hit or AK/AQ/AT/AJ is still good. Every once in a while you run into a set/overpair but not enough to warrant folding at this buy-in level here.

Rosencrantz1
05-18-2005, 11:32 AM
You're getting 6-1 on the flop call with what is likely the best hand right now. The BB could easily have min-raised PF with a couple of high cards, suited connectors, etc; it's quite likely this flop missed both of these guys. A min-bet and call hardly seems like a TPTK bet; trips seems quite unlikely too.

If you are really worried about being behind here you can call and see the turn nice and cheap. A call, though good pot odds, doesn't help you define their hands and gives flush/straight draws a card for cheap.

Perhaps better, then, you can raise about 4xBB here to define their hands. Your raise will possibly get a fold and likely get you a free card on the river. You're also giving the SB only about 3:1 on the call, which makes a draw call incorrect; ditto the BB if the SB folds. If the turn comes as an over, a diamond, or fills out a wheel, I would fold to any action.

RobGW
05-18-2005, 11:51 AM
Heres how I would have played it. Raise to $90 PF. Sb folds and BB calls with his high cards. On the flop, BB tries to buy it for $100. I realize this and come over the top all in. BB folds and I win $205 chips. As for the way you played it, I could see folding or raising on the flop depending on my read of the SB. I'm not worried about the BB. It's the SB betting into the PF raiser that I am concerned with. OTOH, SB bets only $30 into a $180 pot. You'd be in a better position to know what this means than I would.

luckyplayer
05-18-2005, 12:22 PM
So you're suggesting pfr from EP? What would be your cutoff for hands you would not raise in this position preflop?

RobGW
05-18-2005, 12:31 PM
My fault, I thought you were in LP. Yeah, I probably wouldn't raise here unless the players behind me were weak.