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schwza
05-17-2005, 11:21 AM
100+9. don't remember reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB (t1870)
UTG (t960)
UTG+1 (t1255)
UTG+2 (t1045)
MP1 (t880)
MP2 (t2990)
Hero (t990)
CO (t1715)
Button (t1215)
SB (t925)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t20, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls t20, CO calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t75</font>, BB calls t55, UTG+1 calls t55, Hero calls t55, CO calls t55.

Flop: (t375) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: (t375) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

River: (t375) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t100</font>, BB calls t100, UTG+1 calls t100, Hero ?

sirio11
05-17-2005, 11:44 AM
I raise to 300 in this spot. Really don't think they have much of a hand.

durron597
05-17-2005, 11:47 AM
I push here. One of them has a hand they can call you with.

sirio11
05-17-2005, 11:50 AM
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I push here. One of them has a hand they can call you with.

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Who?

The guy who check the flop and the turn and then make a tiny bet in the river.
Or the 2 guys who just call 100 in the river (of course, maybe they're waiting for you to make the all in bet).

TheDrone
05-17-2005, 11:51 AM
Since no one is really in love with their hand, I would make it 250. If you can get two callers with the miniraise, you can probably get them to call 250 as well. 300 seems too much. It's possible that SB was value betting with some kind of flush and therefore he might raise it up, but more than likely you are just hoping for 2 callers with a smallish raise.

2005
05-17-2005, 12:28 PM
I would make it 400, but I've ben getting too many folds in spots like these. So, maybe 250 or 300 is better.

Gavin

schwza
05-17-2005, 01:05 PM
thanks, all.

i raised to 350, thinking i could get called by a weak Q. it worked out pretty much as you'd expect.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB (t1870)
UTG (t960)
UTG+1 (t1255)
UTG+2 (t1045)
MP1 (t880)
MP2 (t2990)
Hero (t990)
CO (t1715)
Button (t1215)
SB (t925)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t20, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls t20, CO calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t75</font>, BB calls t55, UTG+1 calls t55, Hero calls t55, CO calls t55.

Flop: (t375) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: (t375) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

River: (t375) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t100</font>, BB calls t100, UTG+1 calls t100, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t350</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t850 (All-In)</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls t500.

Final Pot: t2275

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has Ts Ad (one pair, sevens).
Hero has 3h 3s (full house, threes full of sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins t2275. </font>

2005
05-17-2005, 01:08 PM
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<font color="red">
SB has Ts Ad (one pair, sevens).
Hero has 3h 3s (full house, threes full of sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins t2275.</font>

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WOW

nightlyraver
05-17-2005, 01:39 PM
Who is the SB and where can I play against him?

Seriously - Ace high? Unless he put you on a total steal, which is unlikely given the river action, how can you possibly fold for only t500 more with any sort of hand?

schwza
05-17-2005, 01:51 PM
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Who is the SB and where can I play against him?

Seriously - Ace high? Unless he put you on a total steal, which is unlikely given the river action, how can you possibly fold for only t500 more with any sort of hand?

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you may not have realized this, but he had the nut 4-flush.

gumpzilla
05-17-2005, 02:19 PM
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you may not have realized this, but he had the nut 4-flush.

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Obviously it was a pretty questionable move, since he was probably overestimating his folding equity. But on monotone flops a lot of people play flushes really slowly in order to have any chance of getting paid; I think there's a decent chance that had he actually had the nut flush he would have employed the same line, in which case it looks substantially less stupid.

What's the biggest hand that you fold to that reraise?

schwza
05-17-2005, 02:25 PM
i don't raise the river without being able to call a push from that guy. if i had a hand like 7x or a small flush i would have already been betting teh turn.

gumpzilla
05-17-2005, 02:26 PM
Yeah, that was pretty much what I figured, was just curious to see if I was wrong. I do think that a surprising number of people online can find a fold to that reraise, but it's a somewhat shaky move.