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theredpill5

05-17-2005, 01:49 AM

This guy was maniac x 10 . He was putting people all-in on every hand. He was nuts.

Would you call this? I was trying to figure out why on earth he would put me all-in on the turn if he did have a flush.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t690)
Hero (t1430)
UTG (t2169)
MP1 (t1000)
MP2 (t790)
CO (t965)
Button (t956)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG raises to t200, 5 folds, Hero calls t100.

Flop: (t450) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

Turn: (t450) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets t225, UTG raises to t1969 (All-In), Hero calls t1005 (All-In).

River: (t3649) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t3649

DasLeben

05-17-2005, 01:50 AM

Against this sort of player (pretty much every player actually), I push preflop.

theredpill5

05-17-2005, 01:52 AM

he had [censored] 92 suited. [censored] 92 suited. I want to [censored] kill this motherfucker.

theredpill5

05-17-2005, 01:53 AM

Because of this [censored]. I got to play step 1 again. I've played step 1 7 [censored] times. [censored] [censored] [censored] THIS [censored] ASDFSLJKDJASJLDjdf

DasLeben

05-17-2005, 01:54 AM

http://www.kentmusicschool.org/kmsgifs/violin.gif

TruFloridaGator

05-17-2005, 01:55 AM

Push PF or raise to more than 200, but I like a push, especially against a maniac.

theredpill5

05-17-2005, 02:15 AM

I knew he would knock me out.

Get this. He knocked out 7 of 9 players. He knocked out everyone of them.

edit: he knocked out 7 of 9. I thought he knocked them all out but he didn't.

theredpill5

05-17-2005, 02:20 AM

Here is maniac in action. You won't believe what he had.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 (t785)
UTG+2 (t655)
Hero (t790)
MP2 (t585)
MP3 (t1050)
CO :#A500AF(MANIAC)/ (t690)
Button (t745)
SB (t755)
BB (t800)
UTG (t1145)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t15, 3 folds, CO :#A500AF(MANIAC)/ raises to t125, 3 folds, UTG+2 calls t110.

Flop: (t275) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG+2 bets t50, MANIAC calls t50.

Turn: (t375) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG+2 bets t100, MANIAC raises to t200, UTG+2 calls t100.

River: (t775) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, MANIAC bets t315 (All-In), UTG+2 folds.

Final Pot: t1090

theredpill5

05-17-2005, 02:21 AM

maniac had [censored] K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif

If he is so [censored] good, why bother with the mini-steps. It [censored] pisses me off. Go play a [censored] $500 buy-in tourney. I almost asked him if he was Gigabet.

TruFloridaGator

05-17-2005, 02:53 AM

Take notes, keep hoping to play with him & push pre-flop. I don't want to have to worry about a missed flop & be down to only 10x blinds are so. You need to see all 5 cards with AK. I know it's frustrating but just keep getting your money in with the best hand, especially with this guy.

lorinda

05-17-2005, 02:56 AM

Maniac had 6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Lori

NYCNative

05-17-2005, 03:02 AM

The best way to beat a maniac is to play back at him. Play very tight and when you get a strong hand, limp. When he raises you, push no matter how many chips that would be or what level.

Poker is all about adjustments. You can't play passively against a maniac. You have to beat him at his own game.

He can still beat you by calling crap all-in and outdrawing you. But you know the rule: All you can do is put all your money in the best situation. Do that enough and you'll win more often than not.

NYCNative

05-17-2005, 03:06 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Flop: (t450) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

[/ QUOTE ]He obviously wasn't a TOTAL maniac post-flop - he managed to get a free card from you.

You lost right there. Why are you checking this? Against ANY player you are dealing with a straight and flush draw yet you hit TPTK; you should NEVER check that flop.

You failed to beat your opponent at his own game and he outdrew you when you let him.

DasLeben

05-17-2005, 03:06 AM

Am I the only one that's gonna say something derogatory about the bad beat post? Sheez, you guys are in rare form tonight. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

NYCNative

05-17-2005, 03:10 AM

Eh, I'd rather let him see that the Manic didn't do anything to him that he didn't allow. He bent over and gamely provided some lube and dropped trow... It's not a shock the guy took it up the ass.

Nottom

05-17-2005, 03:33 AM

Why are you calling a min-raise from a maniac with AK during lvl 4?

theredpill5

05-17-2005, 05:03 AM

what do you suggest ? Fold AK here ? WTF. I hope you are kidding.
I checked because the guy was being such a [censored] maniac. He bet everything. I was going to check raise him all-in on the flop.

theredpill5

05-17-2005, 05:06 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Play very tight and when you get a strong hand, limp.

[/ QUOTE ]
isn't this contradictory to this:

[ QUOTE ]
You can't play passively against a maniac. You have to beat him at his own game.

[/ QUOTE ]

[/ QUOTE ]

Eevee

05-17-2005, 05:50 AM

BAADDDBEAAATTTTTTTT. I think you just got outplayed. You checked, hoping to CR, and he was smart enough to take the free card. I think you should just bet that flop and never again call a miniraise with AK. Fold preflop.

-EV

Current Music: Eminem - Hi, my name is

NYCNative

05-17-2005, 05:54 AM

Try pasting the whole comment instead, sparky.

theredpill5

05-17-2005, 05:58 AM

fold preflop? Shut up you idiot.

Eevee

05-17-2005, 06:01 AM

Guess the movie:

"I'm a cop you IDIOT!"

-EV

Hornacek

05-17-2005, 06:10 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Guess the movie:

"I'm a cop you IDIOT!"

-EV

[/ QUOTE ]

Kindergarten Cop?

Try this one: "Kill me! I'm here! Come kill me!! Come onnnn!"

And yes, theredpill, you got outplayed plain and simple. If you're not going to reraise preflop, then fold preflop.

theredpill5

05-17-2005, 06:13 AM

I rarely re-raise preflop with AK but against this guy I would make an exception. To say I got out-played is giving this guy too much credit. He wasn't that good but he was just winning every hand just because that is the nature of variance.

Eevee

05-17-2005, 06:21 AM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Guess the movie:

"I'm a cop you IDIOT!"

-EV

[/ QUOTE ]

Kindergarten Cop?

Try this one: "Kill me! I'm here! Come kill me!! Come onnnn!"

And yes, theredpill, you got outplayed plain and simple. If you're not going to reraise preflop, then fold preflop.

[/ QUOTE ]

Is that from the Princess Bride?

-EV

Hornacek

05-17-2005, 06:32 AM

[ QUOTE ]

Is that from the Princess Bride?

-EV

[/ QUOTE ]

Try again, think Arnold.

Eevee

05-17-2005, 06:34 AM

When ARnold was Mr Freeze in Batman and Robin?

-EV

Current Music: Ghostbusters Theme Song

NYCNative

05-17-2005, 07:03 AM

[ QUOTE ]
I rarely re-raise preflop with AK but against this guy I would make an exception. To say I got out-played is giving this guy too much credit. He wasn't that good but he was just winning every hand just because that is the nature of variance.

[/ QUOTE ]On that hand he won because he outplayed you.

DeathbySuckout

05-17-2005, 09:28 AM

This is the correct answer.
Lorinda wins.

lehighguy

05-17-2005, 09:32 AM

DOn't check the flop.

durron597

05-17-2005, 09:32 AM

Raise to 550 preflop and push any flop.

bluefeet

05-17-2005, 10:12 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Raise to 550 preflop and push any flop.

[/ QUOTE ]

adanthar

05-17-2005, 11:48 AM

Wow, you managed to outplay yourself on two decisions in the same hand. Nice.

Not reraising PF is bad enough but if you were gonna slowplay AK *there* not doing anything on the flop was worse.

He's a maniac. You want him to bluff raise and that means you have to bet at some point.

pooh74

05-17-2005, 11:57 AM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Play very tight and when you get a strong hand, limp.

[/ QUOTE ]
isn't this contradictory to this:

[ QUOTE ]
You can't play passively against a maniac. You have to beat him at his own game.

[/ QUOTE ]

[/ QUOTE ]

[/ QUOTE ]

No...not really, you want him to raise you so you can rersaise him. Maniacs are fun bc they are easy to trap.

That said, AK is not really a trap hand here.

This is basic...you opted for the riskier move of CRing and you missed it. So what? On a less scary board it wouldve been the right play, but not with those draws. In any regard, a bonafide maniac wouldnt fold a flush draw easily so I doubt there was much you could do to escape your fate here.

suited_ace

05-17-2005, 12:20 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I was trying to figure out why on earth he would put me all-in on the turn if he did have a flush.

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly because you weren\'t expecting him to put you all-in if he had a flush.

There are a few requirements for CR (and slowplaying for that matter), and one of them is having a dry texture on the flop. The call PF is really not good, but not betting the flop is the worst.

You got outplayed here. Kudos to the maniac, he wasn\'t really a maniac after all.