"dont go broke in unraised pot." can i avoid here( 49 left supermon)

[pokerraja]

title says it all. 49 left, average about 17K. im short, but really only one double up away from being ok. is this avoidable. By the way, UTG+1 has pulled this open limp 2 other times, both times with middle pocket pair. Converter not working.


***** Hand History for Game 2061607463 *****
1500/3000 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12271920) - Tue May 17 01:24:46 EDT 2005
Table Super Monday(334730) Table 4 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: njm3111 (18987)
Seat 2: Hero (11095)
Seat 3: Senior_Smoke (14660)
Seat 4: x224u (9787)
Seat 5: vikk181 (13372)
Seat 6: ice_princess (6926)
Seat 7: Blue_bird (16300)
Seat 8: g4295 (59532)
Seat 9: billhay (4704)
Seat 10: Billious (35786)
njm3111 posts small blind (750)
Hero posts big blind (1500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kc, Jd ]
Senior_Smoke folds.
x224u calls (1500)
vikk181 folds.
ice_princess calls (1500)
Blue_bird folds.
g4295 calls (1500)
njm3111 calls (750)
Hero checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kh, 7d, 2c ]
njm3111 checks.
Hero bets (9595)
Hero is all-In.
x224u calls (8287)
x224u is all-In.
ice_princess folds.
g4295 folds.
njm3111 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 6c ]
Creating Main Pot with $24074 with x224u
Creating Side Pot 1 with $1308 with Annulus
** Summary **
Main Pot: 24074 | Side Pot 1: 1308
Board: [ Kh 7d 2c 2d 6c ]
njm3111 balance 17487, lost 1500 (folded)
Hero balance 1308, bet 11095, collected 1308, lost -9787 [ Kc Jd ] [ two pairs, kings and twos -- Kc,Kh,Jd,2c,2d ]
Senior_Smoke balance 14660, didn't bet (folded)
x224u balance 24074, bet 9787, collected 24074, net +14287 [ 7c 7s ] [ a full house, Sevens full of twos -- 7c,7s,7d,2c,2d ]
vikk181 balance 13372, didn't bet (folded)
ice_princess balance 5426, lost 1500 (folded)
Blue_bird balance 16300, didn't bet (folded)
g4295 balance 58032, lost 1500 (folded)
billhay balance 4704, sits out
Billious balance 35786, sits out

[pokerraja]

Do I just push preflop? is there anyone here who could fold to that flop?

[2005]

push or fold preflop, you took the worst option by far. I'd push btw.

[pokerraja]

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push or fold preflop, you took the worst option by far. I'd push btw.

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Thanks, and I do agree. I wasn't to happy with the way I did play that hand. Been in a slump lately, poor plays like that don't help.

[CardSharpCook]

I don't like your play on the flop either. I don't see how any hand that beats yours is folding, nor do I see how any hand you beat is calling. Give someone else a chance to bet at this pot. I know it is big, but if you check, someone bets, some else goes AI... you can safely fold. If you check and a mid-pos. player bets... you can strongly consider folding (I'm a fish, I call) If you check, a late pos. player bets, you can push or call. The way you played it shuts your eyes to any evidence you might pick up that you are not winning and also closes down the pot to anyone wishing to donate to the "Praise Raja" foundation. Keep the pot open for donations.

CSC

[Lloyd]

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push or fold preflop, you took the worst option by far. I'd push btw.

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I don't think you're really suggesting folding, right? Isn't he in the BB and just checking.

[Lloyd]

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I don't like your play on the flop either. I don't see how any hand that beats yours is folding, nor do I see how any hand you beat is calling. Give someone else a chance to bet at this pot. I know it is big, but if you check, someone bets, some else goes AI... you can safely fold. If you check and a mid-pos. player bets... you can strongly consider folding (I'm a fish, I call) If you check, a late pos. player bets, you can push or call. The way you played it shuts your eyes to any evidence you might pick up that you are not winning and also closes down the pot to anyone wishing to donate to the "Praise Raja" foundation. Keep the pot open for donations.

CSC

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I think this is great advice. Too often we immediately think we need to protect our hand since it's not a monster. But in this case, what are you protecting against? There are absolutely no draws and checking, as CSC says, gives you lots of information and allows someone to bluff at the pot.

[pokerraja]

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I don't like your play on the flop either. I don't see how any hand that beats yours is folding, nor do I see how any hand you beat is calling. Give someone else a chance to bet at this pot. I know it is big, but if you check, someone bets, some else goes AI... you can safely fold. If you check and a mid-pos. player bets... you can strongly consider folding (I'm a fish, I call) If you check, a late pos. player bets, you can push or call. The way you played it shuts your eyes to any evidence you might pick up that you are not winning and also closes down the pot to anyone wishing to donate to the "Praise Raja" foundation. Keep the pot open for donations.

CSC

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This line makes alot of sense if im not going to push preflop. A check after the flop maybe could of made my decision alot easier like you said. I should of known better, Top pair is rarely good vs. 4 limpers.

[bugstud]

I do like pushing PF but I doubt the results are different /images/graemlins/frown.gif

had I checked I probably also go broke.

[CieloAzor]

"Don't go broke in an unraised pot" is a quote that assumes much deeper stacks than what we have here. You had 7 BBs at the start of the hand and 6 left to work with after posting; I disagree with anybody that says you can get away from this postflop.

Having said that, I push preflop.

[schwza]

to echo the masses: i like a pre-flop push. once you see the flop, the only question is whether you want to check-call all-in (unless there is an avalanche of a-i's) or push yourself. i think checking is a little better. it's pretty unlikely a free card will hurt you here.

[ron dogg]

Tough spot. I'm pushing preflop here while you still have some folding equity. That said, you have a great flop. No flush/straight draws to concern you here, no overs but one so why not have someone bet the hand for you? Someone moves in, I go broke. You are too short to play it any other way.