Sit and Gos for a living, What stakes do you recomend?

[sMethod]

I play Sngs on party poker ALOT mostyly 30/3 and alittle 50/5 I find a much higher win rate at 30/3 than 50/5, Im cashing in more than 50% of my 30/3 I know that running good but i have over 100 tournaments under my belt at that level so i know that im not too far off my true average. I havent played too many 50/5s because I have had terrible results. What do you PRO recomend if I want a stable income, playing in bigger games or just playing more small stakes games at a time EX: any where from 4 to 8 30/3$ sngs at a time. I average somthing like 15$ per sng right now i can gurantee that will go down to ten based on my previous records from smallers stakes. If some one could share some records or insight on what I can expect from 50/5 or 100 and 200 dollar buyins you would be helping me out alot. /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

[Sponger15SB]

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Im cashing in more than 50% of my 30/3 I know that running good but i have over 100 tournaments under my belt at that level so i know that im not too far off my true average.

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ha ha ha

[Freudian]

I had a 100 SnG streak with -50% ROI. If I had thought it was not that far off my true average I wouldn't be posting this.

[flo]

Over 100? There are posts on the first few pages explaning that 100 is maybe a little little /images/graemlins/tongue.gif
I bet 5$ that my reply is the most friendly of the first 100 replys /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[DasLeben]

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but i have over 100 tournaments under my belt at that level so i know that im not too far off my true average.

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Dude, I'm running -6% ROI over my last 120. Trust me, that's not my true average. I know people that are much better than I that are doing worse than that, too. 100 tournies is nothing.

[durron597]

If your numbers really are what you say they are, you know enough math so that you can figure out what your hourly rate is for $30+$3.

If you've done terribly in $50+$5 maybe you aren't profitable at that level. Which means your $30+$3 hourly rate is your max hourly rate. Can you live off of the number you figured out in the first paragraph? Depending on how many tables you play at a time and how many hours you play per week, you probably can.

[microbet]

FAQs about SNGs (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=2375609&page=&view=&s b=5&o=)

[Voltron87]

I've had a 2,000 SNG streak with a ROI of -15%, it's just a downswing, I just have to play a couple more thousand and I'll get that ROI to where it should be. Bad streaks happen, you have to deal with them.

[Maulik]

wow. you really should not think about this being your career if you aren't ready for the downswing.

Variance. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=variance&fulltext=fulltext&s ourceid=mozilla-search)

[Mr_J]

"I've had a 2,000 SNG streak with a ROI of -15%, it's just a downswing,"

Geesus. I'm also guessing that the missing word in your location is "variance".

[raptor517]

i play 100 sngs a day. do i win every day? not even close. do i win every week? not even close. every month? no because of pai gow. if you really wanna be a pro, play 5k sngs over the summer. once you have that many, you should know where you stand. just so you know, i am a pro sng player, and i have broken even over 1100 sngs, and i have had 19% roi over 1100 sngs. that should tell you a little something about variance. holla

[ThorGoT]

This is a joke, right? If this is at the higher levels, why on earth wouldn't you move down? If this is at the lower levels, why on earth would you be playing in the first place. Please tell me this is a joke.

[Voltron87]

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This is a joke, right? If this is at the higher levels, why on earth wouldn't you move down? If this is at the lower levels, why on earth would you be playing in the first place. Please tell me this is a joke.

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It was a joke. But most people do underestimate how long a good palyer can run even or slightly less than optimal, and how long the long run really is.

[Mr_J]

"It was a joke"

I hoped so (find it hard to believe someone would hang around after being -15% over 2k sngs) but you sounded so serious and I have been up for ages.

[GtrHtr]

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i am a pro sng player

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read raptors post 5 times.

[Sponger15SB]

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i play 100 sngs a day. do i win every day? not even close. do i win every week? not even close. every month? no because of pai gow. if you really wanna be a pro, play 5k sngs over the summer. once you have that many, you should know where you stand. just so you know, i am a pro sng player, and i have broken even over 1100 sngs, and i have had 19% roi over 1100 sngs. that should tell you a little something about variance. holla

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Damn I wish I could play as many hours as you do.

[Voltron87]

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i play 100 sngs a day. do i win every day? not even close. do i win every week? not even close. every month? no because of pai gow. if you really wanna be a pro, play 5k sngs over the summer. once you have that many, you should know where you stand. just so you know, i am a pro sng player, and i have broken even over 1100 sngs, and i have had 19% roi over 1100 sngs. that should tell you a little something about variance. holla

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1. Like Sponger, I wish I could play that much pokah.
2. I think I deal with variance/ bad beats pretty well, I just shrug it off by now, just plow through and play good poker, but I don't think I could play 1100 and break even and keep going. I've gotten so far in terms of tilt and worring about results but I'm way behind you. I think if I played full time I could get there.

[microbet]

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i play 100 sngs a day. do i win every day? not even close. do i win every week? not even close. every month? no because of pai gow. if you really wanna be a pro, play 5k sngs over the summer. once you have that many, you should know where you stand. just so you know, i am a pro sng player, and i have broken even over 1100 sngs, and i have had 19% roi over 1100 sngs. that should tell you a little something about variance. holla

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[Mr_J]

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Damn I wish I could play as many hours as you do.

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Remember he 12 tables, which is 16-18 sngs an hr.

[jgunnip]

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FUNNY

[sahala]

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I average somthing like 15$ per sng right now i can gurantee that will go down to ten based on my previous records from smallers stakes.

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There's a bit of answer. You're doing $15/hour while running well, and you expect to go down to $10/hour. You don't feel comfortable at the 55s. I'm not a financial planner but I don't consider $10-15/hour that much unless you've got some really low living expenses.

One way to do it would be to move to a 3rd world country, get a fat pipe to your "office", and play away, all the while employing a maid, cook, and driver, and occasionally taking vacations to beaches in Malaysia.

What the hell am I doing in Seattle?

[DangerGoodson]

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I play Sngs on party poker ALOT mostyly 30/3 and alittle 50/5 I find a much higher win rate at 30/3 than 50/5, Im cashing in more than 50% of my 30/3 I know that running good but i have over 100 tournaments under my belt at that level so i know that im not too far off my true average. I havent played too many 50/5s because I have had terrible results. What do you PRO recomend if I want a stable income, playing in bigger games or just playing more small stakes games at a time EX: any where from 4 to 8 30/3$ sngs at a time. I average somthing like 15$ per sng right now i can gurantee that will go down to ten based on my previous records from smallers stakes. If some one could share some records or insight on what I can expect from 50/5 or 100 and 200 dollar buyins you would be helping me out alot. /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

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I've got to step 5 once, should I play pro?

[lorinda]

The facts, as presented by you:

1) You're a genius at $33s
2) You suck at $55s
3) You want to know which level to play.

Lori

[raptor517]

i think he MAY mean 15 dollars per sng, not 15 dollars per hour. if he is 4 tabling, thats like 80 dolalrs per hour. not too shabby. however, he of course does not make 15 dollars per. thats only really possible in the 109s and 215s, and VERY tough to do in either. holla

[Blarg]

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Damn I wish I could play as many hours as you do.

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Remember he 12 tables, which is 16-18 sngs an hr.

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Sometimes Party & skins are so slow it would take an hour just to join 16-18 tables.

[Blarg]

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I average somthing like 15$ per sng right now i can gurantee that will go down to ten based on my previous records from smallers stakes.

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There's a bit of answer. You're doing $15/hour while running well, and you expect to go down to $10/hour. You don't feel comfortable at the 55s. I'm not a financial planner but I don't consider $10-15/hour that much unless you've got some really low living expenses.

One way to do it would be to move to a 3rd world country, get a fat pipe to your "office", and play away, all the while employing a maid, cook, and driver, and occasionally taking vacations to beaches in Malaysia.

What the hell am I doing in Seattle?

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Not getting blown to pieces, like tourists in Malaysia?

[lacky]

at the $109's or $215's at 3 to 6 am mountain time that is true, any other level it isn't. I played a few sets of 10 at the $22's and $33's messing around and at 4am and I could fill 10 tables in 5 min or so. Try removing and reinstaling your software, something is hanging you up that is not normal.

Steve

[1C5]

raptor, did you ever calculate what you are making /hour approx?

[Degen]

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i have over 100 tournaments under my belt

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[Sponger15SB]

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Damn I wish I could play as many hours as you do.

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Remember he 12 tables, which is 16-18 sngs an hr.

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Which is what I do

[theredpill5]

The guy has 8 posts. He's new to the board. Don't be assholes. He has no idea that you need 10000 SNG's to realize if you are any good or not. Geez. Some of you guy's seriously sound like you are on tilt. Now go get your asses kicked some more and come back and make fun of people again. Then tomorrow, do it all over again.

[DasLeben]

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The guy has 8 posts. He's new to the board. Don't be assholes. He has no idea that you need 10000 SNG's to realize if you are any good or not. Geez. Some of you guy's seriously sound like you are on tilt. Now go get your asses kicked some more and come back and make fun of people again. Then tomorrow, do it all over again.

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I am on tilt...man. *cracks open another*

[ilya]

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I play Sngs on party poker ALOT mostyly 30/3 and alittle 50/5 I find a much higher win rate at 30/3 than 50/5, Im cashing in more than 50% of my 30/3 I know that running good but i have over 100 tournaments under my belt at that level so i know that im not too far off my true average. I havent played too many 50/5s because I have had terrible results. What do you PRO recomend if I want a stable income, playing in bigger games or just playing more small stakes games at a time EX: any where from 4 to 8 30/3$ sngs at a time. I average somthing like 15$ per sng right now i can gurantee that will go down to ten based on my previous records from smallers stakes. If some one could share some records or insight on what I can expect from 50/5 or 100 and 200 dollar buyins you would be helping me out alot. /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

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I'm not sure I can help answer your question, but I just wanted to let you know that I love you. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[ilya]

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Over 100? There are posts on the first few pages explaning that 100 is maybe a little little /images/graemlins/tongue.gif
I bet 5$ that my reply is the most friendly of the first 100 replys /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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flo, I'm sorry about this, but you owe me $5. My reply is one of the first 100 and is friendlier than yours (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=2414287&page=0&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=14&vc=1).

Please consider how you would prefer to pay me and PM me for details.

[Mr_J]

Don't listen to these guys. You are obviously good, so move up stakes as soon as you can afford to. 100 sngs is plenty. Only takes a dozen sngs to know where you're at. $109 and $215 buyins are a piece of cake, but I only play them when there aren't any step 5s on. Add more tables...12-16 is pretty good which should put you above $1k an hr. Good luck and keep us updated. Bad advice is fun.

[DonCaspero]

I started playing sngs seriously a few months ago. Jumped straight into the 215s, played less than 100, had a pretty good idea of the skill level needed to beat that level. Then proceeded to play Step5s, and been playing since - with a nice profit!

You need about zillion sngs to realistically determine your roi. You dont need that many sngs to get an idea whether you can beat the game or not. I can say with great confidence that I can beat the 55s and 109 without ever having played them! And I dont have nearly the amount of sngs to prove that I actually beat the Step5s.

In regards to playing for a living, it really depends on how high you want to be living, but unless you still live with your mom, I would say at least the 215s with x amount of multitabling, maybe x = 3-4

[raptor517]

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I would say at least the 215s with x amount of multitabling, maybe x = 3-4

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heh, this is WAYYYYY off. you can make a GREAT living, great = top 5% of us population, playing the 33s multitabling. multitabling = 8 or more. the level isnt ALL that important. just play whatever is comfortable. u can make GOOD, even GREAT money at all levels. holla

[Phill S]

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Over 100? There are posts on the first few pages explaning that 100 is maybe a little little /images/graemlins/tongue.gif
I bet 5$ that my reply is the most friendly of the first 100 replys /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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flo, I'm sorry about this, but you owe me $5. My reply is one of the first 100 and is friendlier than yours (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=2414287&page=0&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=14&vc=1).

Please consider how you would prefer to pay me and PM me for details.

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/images/graemlins/grin.gif WP, classic example of a trap hand working to plan.

just for the laughs and coinciding with running good since stepping up to the 20s on BetOnBet, im willing to transfer you the $5 via stars if you have an acccount (only site i can do it on unfortunately).

i take entertainment value importantly /images/graemlins/smile.gif

PM me if you wanna collect.

Phill

[Blarg]

raptor, will you marry me? I want to be able to make that kind of money.

[raptor517]

who said anything about little ol ME making that kind of money? /images/graemlins/wink.gif holla